Mafia: NPF edition

[Fenris]

Originally Posted by Silly Kitty

Miswording a post can be a very big clue. I will point you to SoL mafia where Darthmauler said four mafia instead of five. DarthMauler turned out to be mafia.

But this is a different type of miswording. DarthMauler misworded a fact. Roy here misworded an opinion, or at least that's how I see it.

[Truce]

Originally Posted by Ecurt

Now why would anyone assume that "vets" would see Twiddy as a threat? As far as I know from skimming his posts in the Forum Games forum, he hasn't done anything spectacular in any game, at least nothing that would make him considered as a threat-you should know that yourself, since you've played in several games which he signed up for.

That assumption seemed to be a little bit too sure of itself, especially since I can see no justification for Twiddy being a possible threat to the mafia. And you know what, my gut instinct tells me that you're the threat-to the town.

Vote: Neyo

Yazai!

Now, Roy, I brought up something that was relatively concrete in terms of mafia evidence-Twiddy's lack of success in Mafia games-that brought into question one of Neyo's own assumptions. You brought up a possible motive, that he was a PO officer trying not to reveal himself, which not only has a one in twenty four chance out of the people remaining but would also reveal a town role to the mafia if it happened to be correct, which would have been what Neyo would have been trying to prevent in the first place if he indeed was the PO.

[Roy_D_Mylote]

Yeah, okay, but I don't see where you start suspecting me as mafia.

And I don't think going on gut instinct is a great idea.

[Fenris]

Originally Posted by Roy_D_Mylote

Yeah, okay, but I don't see where you start suspecting me as mafia.

Only a mafiate or somebody against the town would want to reveal a town special role.

The vig, the BG, and the PO are the town's weapons, along with lynching.

That's where.

[Roy_D_Mylote]

But really, if I wanted to reveal someone's role, do you think I'd be that obtuse about it?

[Sithdarth]

But really, if I wanted to reveal someone's role, do you think I'd be that obtuse about it?

That's the wonderful thing about Mafia you don't have to state anything directly.

[Roy_D_Mylote]

All I'm saying is, I could think of a better way to do it.

[Thundergod Cid]

Originally Posted by Roy_D_Mylote

But really, if I wanted to reveal someone's role, do you think I'd be that obtuse about it?

Maybe, if you wanted to make it look like that's not what you were doing. Or if you knew that you could use that as a defense. Not that I think you deserve a vote at the moment, but that argument isn't very convincing.

[Sithdarth]

Originally Posted by Roy

All I'm saying is, I could think of a better way to do it.

Not really no. See be being that obtuse about it you plant the seed while avoiding direct suspicion. Although if you are mafia you could just tell them out of game as you are allowed to. I'd be more inclined to believe its a pair of mafiates with one trying to keep the other out of trouble. Or to make a townie seem guilty be association with a mafiate. That or you made a mistake which also happens.

[Mesden]

Originally Posted by Sithdarth

See I've already stated how I can be convinced of someone's guilt if the evidence is good enough, and that doesn't have to be PO evidence. I also stated I won't entirely give up on anyone. I'll always be playing every angle and thinking of every possible out and I'll state the least stated case. I won't state only the least stated case though for a few reasons. The first being I won't always agree with it. The second reason is stating just one case on my part won't preserve the balance any more than holding my peace and not saying anything.

Playing every angle is fine, but I don't like the quote, "I'd rather send a hundred guilty man free than jail one innocent one."

That logic CAN'T work in a game that's winning consists promarily on numbers.

So hypothetically lets say we have a potential mafaite cornered. I'm not going to solely defend him/her just because no one else is. I'll be pointing out the flaws in both cases at the same time. I fail to see any harm coming from this. If the case is strong for the mafiate and the defense will be weak and I will be changing nothing, and chances are we have a mafiate. If the reverse is true then chances are we have a townie. If both cases are strong or both cases are weak then I simply feel there isn't reason to lynch and we should be looking for more evidence of at someone else. Hopefully as now my poking holes will engender enough conversation to bring the extra evidence to light or turn our attention to another person.

Yet, there's always the possibility of a weak case against a mafiate and a strong one against the townie. I've proven for a fact that I can pull it off.

I'll get to my perspective on this soon.

Now if you people start taking my world as gospel I'm going to stop saying so much because once again that doesn't serve the balance. Putting that much stock into anyone regardless of ability isn't smart. Its been stated at least once that even the best among us make mistakes. Further, Mesden noted that the more ability a person has the more careful you have to be about catching there mistakes.

I did state that, didn't I? People seem to be quoting a lot of my actions, don't they? That's because, there's no avoiding it, I'm an influential and well worded player(Arrogance go!) and people have a knack for following in my shadow. Ala, CmP who happened to be playing the mafiate that goes along with the favorite townie.

I still fail to see how this approach is some great danger to the town.

Ahem. Numbers. I'm not against looking at all sides, as I do it all the time. I'm against your quote I state above.

So I want to take a slightly safer round and maintain objectivity and hopefully minimize the townie lynches. Does this mean I think that we will never hit a townie by accident? No, I'm quite aware that even with all the careful objective reasoning in the world we could still mess up.

Yes you could, but that's not my main argument...

At this point Mesden's argument seems to be centered around one of a two possible perceptions of how I'm going to play. One being that I'm going to ride in like a white Knight whenever someone gets in trouble and save them.

Says the man who misworded how he'll look at every side and take the weaker one.

That I will not do as it isn't a very objective stance. I will point out logical flaws on both sides of the argument though because that is objective.

I get it, I get it. That's not the problem any more. Tedium...setting in...don't know if I can take much more!

The other would be that I'm never going to vote for anyone. I've already stated that I will in fact vote when I'm convinced and that I can be convinced; Ie I don't need PO confirmation of guilt. Now lets hypathetically assume I don't vote for the first few nights. Is that really going to make all that much of a difference? Probably not if you have enough people convinced to get a simple majority and a lynch my one vote isn't going to do much either way. Now if things were tied up in that situation I'd weigh both cases and make a decision one way or the other and break the tie.

And now my perspective drops in. You're a bandwagoner. You just said that with a hint of eloquence. Bandwagoning=Bad.

Ok so Mesden wants to approach this with the mind set that you have to break a few eggs to make an omelette.

Yeah, since there's no way to win this game without losing townies.(Aside from astounding luck)

I on the other hand would rather make sure I've considered everything before making a decision.

You're saying this like I DON'T consider things. Do you ever read anything I say?

I'd think Mesden is probably going to do something very similar but isn't being as vocal about as me.

You'd be hard pressed to be more vocal than I am.

That it very well might take less evidence to convince her of something than me.

Indecision=Bad. I'm not overly rash, but waiting so long until it's near deadline or when the stakes are high is bandwagoning and that's a bad thing, now isn't it?

So at its base this is about Mesden's personality and how it shapes her opinions,

Bull. I don't put my personality into this game. Do you think I'm manipulative and this cutting in real life? No, this is how I play a game, Sith.

ie she's out for blood and isn't quite as concerned about collateral damage as I am.

Out for blood? You think I'm doing my best to get people killed? No, I'm playing the game and voting keeps the pressure up, so I get better answers and more to decide on. I'm being decisive enough to get the answers I need and sure, I WOULD sacrifice 2 townies for one mafia, because at that, we'd win, wouldn't we?

Against my personality and how it shapes my opinions, ie I like to take a slow and measured approach to things.

You took my play style and made it look completely bad and then took yours and made it seem more profound. Make me look bad with the words "Out for blood." and you look good with the words "Measured approach to things".

That plays against the human psych, those words. You're trying to be manipulative against someone whose entire career in mafia has been one of manipulation. Bad. Move.

Which suddenly reminded me of a point. We pretty much have all the time we need to decide about someone until they get close to a majority of votes and a deadline is set. I'm a patient sort and I don't care how long it takes to get enough votes to set a deadline.

You take your time until you can badnwagon! Marvelous! /sarcastic

Mesden seems to like action and getting things done as fast as possible. That's great but its just not how a normally do things.

Not as fast as possible. I seem to be giving you time and others to state what they want, don't I? Your words, my mouth. Not a good mix.

This approach doesn't take away my affirmation on the I'd rather send a hundred guilty man free than jail one innocent one."

Also, you've been making me look completely wrong and yourself some justified paragon of playing apptitude. You're sending my playstyle to the extreme and keeping yours in a steady light. You're trying to make me look bad. I don't appreciate that, since you've not stated any reason for me to be bad.