Mafia: NPF edition

[Steel Shadow]

Oh not again. What is it with you people and posting while I sleep? Now I have to go through about 6 loooong pages. But before I do that:

Originally Posted by Mesden

Oh yeah, because instead of trying not to look like the cult, I should try to, since that totally makes since and mean I'm not the cult. *Eye roll*

I'll say why, if you are the cult leader, you'd have done it. Actualy, I'lll let B_real tell you.

Originally Posted by B_real

Steel Shadow, except why would she be asking that if she was the Cult Leader? Wouldn't she have known if she got to draft someone on night one if she were the cult leader? Yes, Yes she would have known. But she didn't and so she asked if the cult got to recruit. Because of this, I don't beleive that Mesden is the Cult leader. Probably the PO, if anything, trying to get her facts right before she starts looking and investigating people.

The thing is, you're assuming she's telling the truth. Which is fair enough. But suppose, just for a moment, that she isn't. If she is the cult leader, she has constructed a rather nice way of shifting the blame totaly away from herself like that.

But even I can see this is a theory fueled by insane paranoia. I'm just pointing it out so thaat ya'll notice, and now I'm off to read a few hundred posts of why who's doing what for what purpose their guilty of.

EDIT: OH dear god can you people talk. Ok, if Mes missed Gaurds post, her quote up there makes a little more sense, even if the meaning hasn't changed. It's strange that she drew attention to it. In bold. When she could have clicked the button "first page" and checked for herself.

[P-Sleazy]

heh, finally. Now I can start paying attention to Mesden's and Sithdarths long ass posts. I kinda started just skipping over them after a while of bickering since it didn't contribute anything other than "hey Sith, your method sucks" and "hey Mesden, your method sucks" and both saying "heres why". Nice to see that we have both of you on board now and not being AS egotistical.

[Mesden]

Originally Posted by B_real_shadows

heh, finally. Now I can start paying attention to Mesden's and Sithdarths long ass posts. I kinda started just skipping over them after a while of bickering since it didn't contribute anything other than "hey Sith, your method sucks" and "hey Mesden, your method sucks" and both saying "heres why". Nice to see that we have both of you on board now and not being AS egotistical.

We got that out of the way now. BACK to the game. Also, I need to reread it a bit, seeing as I might have missed something during the whole spat.

I'll request everyone to leave the whole thing alone, just because it's a bit of a post and time waster on something we want dropped. (No offense to you B_Real, just don't want anyone else saying what's already been said.)

[Roy_D_Mylote]

Originally Posted by Neyo the King

Ecurt is saying that Roy was too open in saying that I was a special role. Roy says he was just presenting another side of the case, that case being I was maybe trying to give a hint in my post as to who the mafia were.

Well...yeah.

Roy then questioned the reasoning of IC's vote, then asked if SpacePope was a good player. I'm a little..how to say this... suspicious of this question. Why would you want to know how well a player asked, exactly, is beyond me.

Because I wanted to understand why IC just had a "gut feeling" about Space Pope, based on his resounding zero posts, that's why I asked.

Also, just the way Roy is acting just rubs me the wrong way. It seems to me that all he really does is restate stuff, or post something that I would say was on the verge of being spam.

Most of my posts have been me defending myself from Ecurt, who kept saying I was agreeing with Mesden, so yes, I had to restate myself several times. Otherwise there is really no new information to give.

I'm going to take my gut feeling a bit further and
Vote: Roy.

See? Gut feelings aren't a good way to vote someone off!

[h4x.m4g3]

Sorry for the inactivity, but I was in another State (Texas) in a hotel with really slow internet, up until last night. I would like to start with a little aside and say I was the reporter in Mafia: Basic. Don't know if anyone ever told you.

However now that I have read through this thread I have an opinion.

Vote: Dojindog
Why?
Exhibit A:

Hmm... Roy you are acting slightly suspicious. You've mainly been just commenting on other people's opinions not adding too much yourself. that would be a nice medium too what Sithdarth was saying earlier (your damned if you post too much and your damned if you post too little.)

He accuses Roy of being suspicious because he's just tagging along, when all he really did for the rest of the thread was follow Mes around with her arguement with Sith. (While I don't think either of you are mafia yet, just players with opposing viewpoints. I must say it was a nice way to gather information on other players.)

Exhibit B:

Yes but that doesn't mean you have to restate the evidence that just makes it even more confusing than it already is thus making it easier for potentially harmful people to get away with multiple slip-ups

So presenting evidence and re-itterating facts is bad? Am I just reading this wrong? Isn't that what a lawyer (And in this game everyone is a prosecution and a defense lawyer) does? Restate evidence that supports their veiw while denouncing their opponent's evidence? How does evidence make things confusing?

Exhibit C:

Hrmm... While I hate to take sides with Mesden I gotta admit she makes a good point. Sithdarth does seem to be trying to convince everyone that he is good and innocent (a bad approach to this game in my opinion) and that Mesden is aggresive and evil and bad (a good approach to this game in my opinion). While that may seem all noble and nice and what not that doesn't work as well in Mafia because you have to vote quickly else the mafiate's will get you. So I think I will have to go with Mesden and Vote:Sithdarth

I don't see this whole vote quickly or the mafia's gonna get you thing. Perhaps I'm just leaning more on Sith's thought style but you don't need to vote just to vote. You need to vote when there is a reson to vote. Am I saying wait till the last moment? No, but don't vote because it seems there is a 'call to vote.' And why do you hate to take sides with Mesden. Personal vandetta, fear she's scummy? Also Mesden was doing the same thing as Sith here, wording her phrases so she appeared good and Sith bad. It seems Mes just did a better job convincing him.

To clarify, I don't see how deducing and reasoning over time can be bad. Does that mean I think we should wait forever, no.

Exhibit D and E:

A facade is difficult to maintain under extended periods of mental duress that's the foundation upon (to my understanding) Mesden's questioning is based. If you are innocent then you should have no problem whatsoever dealing with Mesden's doubt in your character. Even if she says wasn't serious at first that is how it's working out (in my opinion).

Why would the innocent person be mad at being told he/she was guilty they know it's not true. Just because someone decides to tell me that the sky is green why should it bug me if I have already chosen to tell them no it's blue you are wrong and they persist it's not my problem. It is your choice wether you reply to this post or not. I would take that as your defense. I don't know that other people would but, why should you worry if they vote to ban you and you're innocent you just showed the people who voted to ban you that they were wrong and should be more careful. Well anyway it's getting to be bedtime for me so I'm gonna go saw some logs g'night!

This line of thinking is completely wrong. Innocent men are sent to prison because they look guilty, because people want them to be guilty, etc. If someone (lets say a police officer) was threatening your life (death penalty, as in this game) because he thought you did something, even if you knew you didn't. You would get frustrated, upset, and fearful. After all you're an INNOCENT man going to be put to DEATH for someone elses crime, and there is nothing you can do to stop it.

I eagerly await your rebuttal.

[Silly Kitty]

Most of my posts have been me defending myself from Ecurt, who kept saying I was agreeing with Mesden, so yes, I had to restate myself several times. Otherwise there is really no new information to give.

Wait! Wasn't that me? Because I know I did and then Ecurt brought up different reasons.. Hm. What say ye?

[Roy_D_Mylote]

Originally Posted by Silly Kitty

Wait! Wasn't that me? Because I know I did and then Ecurt brought up different reasons.. Hm. What say ye?

Whoever the hell it was. Does confusing the names make me seem suspicious now, too?

[Mesden]

Originally Posted by Roy_D_Mylote

Whoever the hell it was. Does confusing the names make me seem suspicious now, too?

*Facepalm*

Yes.

[Roy_D_Mylote]

Originally Posted by Mesden

*Facepalm*

Yes.

In what way?

[Silly Kitty]

Because you changed the facts. Silly Kitty and Ecurt are NOT similar in any way. It seems like you aren't paying attention. This is the second time you have messed up what you are saying.