Square-Enix wants my moneys and they always get them.

Regulus Tera · 09-13-2006, 11:16 PM

After playing Final Fantasy Tactics a few years ago, I became a rabid FFXII fan even when all I knew was that it revamped the series in so many ways that it wasn't a true Final Fantasy game, but a Matsuno's masterpiece. I've been following its release almost religiously, avoiding some of the spoilerish stuff while trying to get as much information as possible to saciate my need for Ivalice awesomeness.

Part of the reason I became so enthralled to the game, I must admit, was that unlike some other creations in the current trend, FFXII felt unique, even when the setting had some references to Vagrant Story and FFT. I've heard it everywhere: Final Fantasy XII is awesome, Final Fantasy XII is a love or hate game, you must buy Final Fantasy XII.

The magnet took me in: I already preordered the Collector's Edition. I can hardly wait for October the 31st, and all I can do in the meantime is level up my characters in Dragon Quest VIII while waiting for this holy grail to reach my hands and immerse once again into the political intrigue Matsuno has always secretly treasured until the time was right for us.

But then, I see this, and the fanboy inside me starts to scream.

Some fun stuff here, like a RPG based on a street (read my yoyo in your follo[/lame hip hop]), a revamp of Kingdom Hearts II with an extended secret ending and possibly a Chain of Memories-esque minigame (which will almost surely be only released in Japan), and a FFXII sequel for the DS.

To which I say, what the fuck?

I know S-E is a company, and like every company it exists to make money. They have been doing this from the moment they released FFX-2, but ever since I played Dirge of Cerberus, I've been fearing for what was once a series that knew how to make itself desired. Now? I feel the company is rushing all these games too fast, not focusing on one at the time and.. giving us some crappy ass job (coughDIRGEOFCERBERUScough).

So my question is this: How much can you milk something before it loses its appeal? It doesn't apply only to videogames, but I use them as a vehicle because of what is happening to Final Fantasy right now. And to be fair, Megaman has been doing it for a much longer time. That's one of the reasons I love the MGS series: you have some for a few years to fulfill your desires, and then wham! Speculation once again.

Being much more of a subjective question (as well as an excuse to rant/excite about more FFXII), I want to know your opinions as to the rehashing of a series time and a time again. Because, after all, event though they are the ones who make the games, we are the ones who demand for them.

The Artist Formerly Known as Hawk · 09-14-2006, 01:38 AM

i dont know how you can say the S-E is rushing the FF games they release lately. i mean i heard about FF12 about 2 and a half years ago and im still waiting for it to be released. ok so they may rush all these off-shoots of the main series (FFT, FF10-2, ETC), but as far as the main core of the series goes they are taking longer than ever.

PyrosNine · 09-14-2006, 02:20 AM

Eh, They can do it because the game's been out over there for a long enough time, and there's a chance the DS game won't be ported over here.

But on the Brightside, on Mario Hoops for the DS, I can jam on the court as MF-ing BLACK MAGE! That makes up for any money grubbing S-E can do in my eyes.

As for who's in the game, onlly Black Mage, White Mage, Ninja, and the two Non Chocobo (Kupo and 1000 needles of death) square mascots make it in.

My main problem with Square Enix wanting my monies is that I never have my monies when square wants them. Causing Square to abuse me with Preplayed discs from Gamestop that some degenerate purposely scratched the part of the disc with the FMV's.

Fifthfiend · 09-14-2006, 02:21 AM

Really the one is a function of the other, they gotta squeeze out the final mixes and junk because it takes them goddamn forever to put out a game proper, anymore.

To be honest, though? I need a 3d KH game with a card-based battle system like I need a second asshole that shits shards of glass. And as far as secret endings, KH2 managed to be enough of a disappointment that it scorched out any need I might have had to speculate about KH3.

Oh that's right, you mentioned something about FFXII? Let's see, what was it that I was going to say about FFXII? Oh yeah that's right - fuck FFXII.

Yeah, I think that about sums it up.

Furioku · 09-14-2006, 02:31 AM

I agree to an extent, They are rushing these side games out pretty quickly and they do end up turning into crappy games. (Dirge of Cerberus and FFX-2) But there are some good out there in the mix, like the remake of Final Fantasy 4 and I can't wait for the final fantasy 3 remake for the DS and the FF6 remake for the GBA. I just really hope they take their time on Final Fantasy 12 and turn it into a hit, I have played the demo and it's not too bad, it could've been better though and I miss the turn-based battle systems, but change is to be expected of course.

Also, did I mention that, FF13 looks amazing?

Nique · 09-14-2006, 02:58 AM

Is it OK that I just Abdicate whatever control I have over my spending to Sqaure-Enix? Yeah? Alright. 'Cuase its really just a formality at this point...

BTW, I need to pick up Vagrant Story...

Astral Harmony · 09-14-2006, 08:01 AM

True. Either Squenix or Capcom.

One thing I noticed about myself when it comes to their games is that I enjoy the one hit wonders far more than their series. Such as Radiata Stories. I friggin' love Radiata Stories.

Chipper173 · 09-14-2006, 08:31 AM

Thanks for reminding me that I also need to pay for FFIII, the FFVI rerelease, FFXII, and that FFCC that apparantly is coming out with the Wii.

My wallet is really grateful.

Regulus Tera · 09-14-2006, 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Hawk of Battle

i dont know how you can say the S-E is rushing the FF games they release lately. i mean i heard about FF12 about 2 and a half years ago and im still waiting for it to be released. ok so they may rush all these off-shoots of the main series (FFT, FF10-2, ETC), but as far as the main core of the series goes they are taking longer than ever.

Which is actually one of the reasons I do not like this flood of FF games at all. FFXII was supposed to be released two years ago, and although Matsuno's departure from the project surely had some effect into that, one of my suspicions is that the game was further delayed to give time for all these FF spinoffs to be released (and Dragon Quest VIII too).

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Originally Posted by Furioku

I agree to an extent, They are rushing these side games out pretty quickly and they do end up turning into crappy games. (Dirge of Cerberus and FFX-2) But there are some good out there in the mix, like the remake of Final Fantasy 4 and I can't wait for the final fantasy 3 remake for the DS and the FF6 remake for the GBA. I just really hope they take their time on Final Fantasy 12 and turn it into a hit, I have played the demo and it's not too bad, it could've been better though and I miss the turn-based battle systems, but change is to be expected of course.

From what I've read, the demo doesn't do any justice to the real game, lacking not only Gambit options but also some License Board goodness. And contrary to the common belief, you can play this game as if it were turn-based, by turning off the gambits and doing every command manually. I suggest you rent it, if at least for the story.

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Originally Posted by Chipper173

Thanks for reminding me that I also need to pay for FFIII, the FFVI rerelease, FFXII, and that FFCC that apparantly is coming out with the Wii.

My wallet is really grateful.

What? No love for FFV?

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Originally Posted by fifthfiend

...fuck FFXII.

If there was a god, he would have smashed you by this time. :stressed:

Living Bobbeh · 09-14-2006, 12:06 PM

I cut of my money to Squenix ages. Ever since they put out the pure disappointment that is known as "Fef Ecks Two", they haven't seen any money from me, neither has Sony for that matter.

09-13-2006, 11:16 PM	#1
Regulus Tera lol i dont even know Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 7,271	Square-Enix wants my moneys and they always get them. After playing Final Fantasy Tactics a few years ago, I became a rabid FFXII fan even when all I knew was that it revamped the series in so many ways that it wasn't a true Final Fantasy game, but a Matsuno's masterpiece. I've been following its release almost religiously, avoiding some of the spoilerish stuff while trying to get as much information as possible to saciate my need for Ivalice awesomeness. Part of the reason I became so enthralled to the game, I must admit, was that unlike some other creations in the current trend, FFXII felt unique, even when the setting had some references to Vagrant Story and FFT. I've heard it everywhere: Final Fantasy XII is awesome, Final Fantasy XII is a love or hate game, you must buy Final Fantasy XII. The magnet took me in: I already preordered the Collector's Edition. I can hardly wait for October the 31st, and all I can do in the meantime is level up my characters in Dragon Quest VIII while waiting for this holy grail to reach my hands and immerse once again into the political intrigue Matsuno has always secretly treasured until the time was right for us. But then, I see this, and the fanboy inside me starts to scream. Some fun stuff here, like a RPG based on a street (read my yoyo in your follo[/lame hip hop]), a revamp of Kingdom Hearts II with an extended secret ending and possibly a Chain of Memories-esque minigame (which will almost surely be only released in Japan), and a FFXII sequel for the DS. To which I say, what the fuck? I know S-E is a company, and like every company it exists to make money. They have been doing this from the moment they released FFX-2, but ever since I played Dirge of Cerberus, I've been fearing for what was once a series that knew how to make itself desired. Now? I feel the company is rushing all these games too fast, not focusing on one at the time and.. giving us some crappy ass job (coughDIRGEOFCERBERUScough). So my question is this: How much can you milk something before it loses its appeal? It doesn't apply only to videogames, but I use them as a vehicle because of what is happening to Final Fantasy right now. And to be fair, Megaman has been doing it for a much longer time. That's one of the reasons I love the MGS series: you have some for a few years to fulfill your desires, and then wham! Speculation once again. Being much more of a subjective question (as well as an excuse to rant/excite about more FFXII), I want to know your opinions as to the rehashing of a series time and a time again. Because, after all, event though they are the ones who make the games, we are the ones who demand for them. Last edited by Regulus Tera; 09-14-2006 at 11:11 AM.

09-14-2006, 02:20 AM	#3
PyrosNine Zettai Hero Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: A figment of my own imagination Posts: 6,103	Eh, They can do it because the game's been out over there for a long enough time, and there's a chance the DS game won't be ported over here. But on the Brightside, on Mario Hoops for the DS, I can jam on the court as MF-ing BLACK MAGE! That makes up for any money grubbing S-E can do in my eyes. As for who's in the game, onlly Black Mage, White Mage, Ninja, and the two Non Chocobo (Kupo and 1000 needles of death) square mascots make it in. My main problem with Square Enix wanting my monies is that I never have my monies when square wants them. Causing Square to abuse me with Preplayed discs from Gamestop that some degenerate purposely scratched the part of the disc with the FMV's. __________________ Pyrosnine.blogspot.com: An experimental blog of writing. Updated possibly daily. Possibly. A fair chance. Current Works for reading: War Between them, Karma Police. PyrosNine: Weirdo Magnet Extraordinaire!

09-14-2006, 02:21 AM	#4
Fifthfiend for all seasons Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 19,409	Really the one is a function of the other, they gotta squeeze out the final mixes and junk because it takes them goddamn forever to put out a game proper, anymore. To be honest, though? I need a 3d KH game with a card-based battle system like I need a second asshole that shits shards of glass. And as far as secret endings, KH2 managed to be enough of a disappointment that it scorched out any need I might have had to speculate about KH3. Oh that's right, you mentioned something about FFXII? Let's see, what was it that I was going to say about FFXII? Oh yeah that's right - fuck FFXII. Yeah, I think that about sums it up. __________________ check out my buttspresso

09-14-2006, 02:31 AM	#5
Furioku Geekboy Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: North Carolina. Posts: 88	I agree to an extent, They are rushing these side games out pretty quickly and they do end up turning into crappy games. (Dirge of Cerberus and FFX-2) But there are some good out there in the mix, like the remake of Final Fantasy 4 and I can't wait for the final fantasy 3 remake for the DS and the FF6 remake for the GBA. I just really hope they take their time on Final Fantasy 12 and turn it into a hit, I have played the demo and it's not too bad, it could've been better though and I miss the turn-based battle systems, but change is to be expected of course. Also, did I mention that, FF13 looks amazing? __________________ The below statement is true. The above statement is false. Last edited by Furioku; 09-14-2006 at 02:36 AM.

09-14-2006, 12:06 PM	#10
Living Bobbeh That's NumberWang! Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Twenty X'DY six! Posts: 1,127	I cut of my money to Squenix ages. Ever since they put out the pure disappointment that is known as "Fef Ecks Two", they haven't seen any money from me, neither has Sony for that matter. __________________ Be confident, Wear a Cape!

09-14-2006, 08:01 AM	#7
Astral Harmony Don't Hate Me 'Cause I'm Moe Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Harmonial Sanctum Posts: 6,798	True. Either Squenix or Capcom. One thing I noticed about myself when it comes to their games is that I enjoy the one hit wonders far more than their series. Such as Radiata Stories. I friggin' love Radiata Stories.

09-14-2006, 08:31 AM	#8
Chipper173 Grandma threw away my animes Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Hang a left at the deli. Posts: 858	Thanks for reminding me that I also need to pay for FFIII, the FFVI rerelease, FFXII, and that FFCC that apparantly is coming out with the Wii. My wallet is really grateful.