Doctor Who, season Ten. [AMERICAN]

[Genesis Epyon]

I see great things for the 10th Doctor, but I still miss the energy and wit of the 9th. As far as I am concerned, the 9th Doctor is the greatest.

[dposse]

I agree with you, Genesis. The 9th doctor is my favorite as well. Eccelstons performance in the season finale was a thing of beauty.

[Mashirosen]

I didn't find Tennant that way at all. I thought he was lighter than Eccelston, yes, but it seems appropriate for the character (since the whole idea is that in Parting of the Ways the Doctor 'got over' the trauma of the whole Time War thing).

I think you're taking my sig for a viewing philosophy instead of a punchline I happened to like. ;P There's being lighter and then there's being a capricious asshole, which is how Tenth Doctor comes across to me. I totally get that this is a completely valid take on the character and arguably always a basic element of his personality (Nine certainly had his share of jerkish whimsy), but that doesn't make it necessarily any more likeable when it becomes a dominant trait. The idea of the character finally being able to let go of the whole Time War thing and be well again is great, wonderful -- I just didn't like where he went from there, or what Rose became in the process (which was the character change that bothered me the most, honestly, but that's another thing altogether). It's nice to hear that he got some kind of comeuppance in the end -- that was what I was waiting for, for someone to stand up to him just once (the way Rose used to) and take his god complex down a peg, but they just took so freakin' long to get there and the characters became so intolerable to me along the way that I lost patience with it.

I see him being a lot less smug and easy going in the future. Which may help you like him more.

Ugh, thanks but I'll pass. Going from hyperactive chihuahua to mopey emo shoegazer over Rose, oh the poor little Lonely God, not that he was too busted up about dropping her like a hot rock when Reinette was in the picture isn't any more appealing. I'm pretty curious about the new companion but not enough to put up with Tennant's acting. (Which is another place where we'll have to agree to disagree -- I don't dislike that he's more of a light comedian where Eccleston is more a serious dramatist, I dislike that he's such a ham about it.)

I actually prefer him to Eccelston. While Eccelston was quite intense and interesting, when thinking about it, I find him the Doctor I'd least want to travel around the galaxy with. Other than maybe the first. Tennant seems a lot friendlier, and I think that's quite a good character trait.

Well, when you put it like that, I think it all comes down to personalities and personal tastes, no matter how either of us might rationalize it. :) I liked Nine an awful lot, but I don't know that I'd want to travel with him either, as much of a broody dick he could be sometimes. But I can't stand people like Ten -- ugh, they're like big slobbery hyperactive dogs who never sit down or shut up. I'd put up with Nine's Morrissey in space bullshit for a decade before I'd spend half an hour stuck in a phone booth with Mr. Happy Teeth. :D


HYUUUMONS!!

[Mike McC]

Originally Posted by Mashirosen

I liked Ten all right up until Tooth and Claw, and then it was an exponential growth of loathing for him and Rose from there onward until I stopped watching it, halfway through Fear Her. When they've got someone to play the Doctor who isn't a lispy bargain basement Jim Carrey I'll give it another try.

Yeah, having just watched Tooth and Claw I can say that I miss Ninth Doctor already. I dunno exactly what it is about Tenth Doctor I don't like yet, but I was just a bit annoyed at him. Which made it all the better when Queen Victoria snapped at him, and then exiled him. I think the success of the first series went to thier head, and that is never a good thing.

And I'm already getting fucking sick of the Torchwood references.

[Kurosen]

I fear that it will probably not improve for you in that case :\

I loved Christmas Invasion, and you can never have enough mind swapping or Cassandra, but Tooth and Claw is where Tenth Doctor starts looking rough around the edges. It never really recovers, I'm sorry to say.

Well, the LINDA episode is a possible exception, but Ten is in it for all of about a minute.

And I'm already getting fucking sick of the Torchwood references.

But, boy, the writers sure aren't!

[Kroze Gamegod]

Originally Posted by Kurosen

But, boy, the writers sure aren't!

All I have to say is its like Bad Wolf...
Only BAD...
A bigger bad wolf I guess you can say...
One that huffed and puffed so much that it almost took the whole season down....

And yes, I know I am going to hell for all of that....

[mauve]

Soooo.... Lemmie get this straight. (spoilers) They used a laser. To kill... a werewolf... who was trying to... take over the body of... Queen Victoria... Who carried a giant diamond in her purse, which just so happens to power said laser.

That about right? Yeah, I think so. Oh yeah, that all makes perfect sense. XD "Tooth and Claw" wasn't a bad episode, per se, but but I think it was stretching things a bit far. Yeah, I know that's what Doctor Who does, but... lasers.

I'd put up with Nine's Morrissey in space bullshit for a decade before I'd spend half an hour stuck in a phone booth with Mr. Happy Teeth.

Oh no. Now every time I watch the show, I'm going to think "Doctor Happy Teeth!!" Thank you, Mashirosen.


And as for favorite doctors, I still think Tom Baker is awesome. Eccleston was a great doctor too, probably my second-favorite, but I think travelling-companion-wise, I'd have to go with Tom Baker. That era of Doctor Who had the corniest plots and worst special effects, but it was still great for a laugh, even if it wasn't meant to be funny.

[Arhra]

Ah, but don't forget Mauve, it wasn't just any laser, it was a moon laser. Personally, I felt that episode could have done with about five more minutes of explanation for everything and it would have been a lot better. There was some interesting stuff the werewolf said but it didn't really lead to anything.

I think generally the quality of the single episodes isn't as good as the two parters. There's some good ones, but others are a bit so so (like the one with the TVs).

The two parters on the other hand have been quite good. I loved the Impossible Planet and the series finale. I mean (definately do not read this if you don't want the twist spoiled for you!) one had Satan and the other had a Cyberman invasion followed by freaking Daleks coming out of the sphere! And in the second episode practically every line the Daleks had was great. Who can't love that little exchange the Cybermen and the Daleks had on first meeting. Heh, elegance.

I really don't think the Torchwood references had the same intent Bad Wolf did. The mentions were more just a background thing for the perceptive rather than a major plot point.

[dposse]

I agree that the concept of Tooth and Claw was a touch more over the top than, say, Snakes on a Plane, but i liked it. I just wish that they would have explained what the werewolf "cells" were and where they came from, ect.

And i agree, the Torchwood refernces are getting annoying because Americans will probably never get to see the spinoff. However, i did like the ending of Tooth and claw a little bit because it's interesting to find out that the Doctor is responsable for creating his own worst enemy.

[Mashirosen]

Yeah, having just watched Tooth and Claw I can say that I miss Ninth Doctor already. I dunno exactly what it is about Tenth Doctor I don't like yet, but I was just a bit annoyed at him.

For me it was when the laird of the manor or whatever he was decided to sacrifice himself to buy the others some time, and Ten's just like "Whew! Thanks for taking one for the team, buddy, I owe you a Coke!" and hardly gives it a second thought after that. Nine would've let him do it too, but probably not without an argument, and definitely not without feeling the loss deeply. Ten certainly likes to talk about how much he just loves hyuumons-ah!!, but ultimately he's never really that broken up about it when they suffer or die -- when anyone suffers or dies, really, unless he perceives the persons or phenomena inflicting it as a challenge to his authority. Whereas Nine, for all the "styuupid apes" namecalling and the jerkery of which he was more than capable, really did care deeply for humans and most other non-Dalek beings -- remember how grieved he was even for the poor Slitheen-abused pig in Aliens of London, and how he tried to comfort it as it died? That's the difference between Ten and Nine that I don't like, and it's got nothing to do with one being lighter than the other. I said before that Nine was a good person but not a nice one -- Ten is a "nice" person but not really much of a good one.

And you're welcome, Mauve, just doing my part. ;D I'm with you on probably picking the Fourth Doctor as the one I'd most like to run around time and space with.