wait, CAN a Lightsaber deflect magic missiles? - Page 2

Elminster_Amaur · 01-18-2007, 11:39 AM

True, but it'd be only about an instant before he tries to deflect with the saber.

Azisien · 01-18-2007, 11:55 AM

It can't miss the target, so the ONLY thing that can stop a magic missile is allowing it to hit, but having suitable protection (i.e. Shield spell, wouldn't Spell Mantles and Globes of Invulnerability block them as well?)

Basically, it doesn't have much to do with the lightsaber, I believe the only argument that can be made is that a suitably powerful Jedi, probably a Master, would block the missile with the Force alone. Re: Yoda absorbing force lightning.

Conclusion...No, a lightsaber cannot stop magic missile, but it's possible some Jedi powers can.

Fifthfiend · 01-18-2007, 12:01 PM

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If Bao-Dur is wielding one, a lightsaber can do anything -- a science fact elegantly demonstrated by playing KOTOR 2 kind of a lot. Bao-Dur is made of science, and science is empirically tuffer than magic, QED.

Nonsense. Ancient mystical whammajamma always outdoes highfalutin' techno-hoohah.

EDIT: Is it just me or is this a gussied-up Versus Thread? I mean I'm okay with that, it's not like we've really had any in a while.

EDIT EDIT: Is it just me or did Mashie just participate in a versus thread?

Althane · 01-18-2007, 12:08 PM

Going by the rules of Arcanum, which is my preferred setting for Magic vs Technology debates... both would shut down the instant the Jedi smacked the missile with the 'sabre.

Easy, aye?

Squishy Cheeks · 01-18-2007, 12:31 PM

Well if we go by star wars universe rules. all forms of magic are variations of force useage. Ergo, magic missile is a force attack. A lightsaber has been shown to be able to block other force attacks.

If we go by D&D rules, the Jedi is holding a lightsaber, thus it is an extension of himself. Id est, a viable target for magic missile if the jedi is the target.

Both cases, Yes the lightsaber blocks the magic missile.

Mashirosen · 01-18-2007, 12:38 PM

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Nonsense. Ancient mystical whammajamma always outdoes highfalutin' techno-hoohah.

Bao-Dur death-imploded a planet covered in Jedi with his highfalutin' techno-hoohah. Hokey religions and ancient weapons are no match for a dude with a wrench set and a certain maverick glint in his eye.

Therefore behold, gentlemen! I present to you one whose science-tuffness runs to the core of his least particle -- there can be no true argument against, and only the mulish cries of the ass remain.

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Is it just me or did Mashie just participate in a versus thread?

I've got a load of laundry to finish before I head to the open lab. A little versus-dabblin' beats Minesweeper.

Bells · 01-18-2007, 01:44 PM

Well... im pretty much sure that a magic missile would go trough a lighsaber... only around it...

For the lightsaber to be able to deflect it, it would require contact... i dont see how we can afirm that contact will happen...

But we the Jedi creates a Dome of Force around itself, i belive that the magic missile would hit it and stay as that, as i dont think that it could penetrate a force based shield

Mirai Gen · 01-18-2007, 02:11 PM

Yeah, from the sounds of things a Jedi would need to use his Force Push or something like it to deflect Magic Missile.

The default description on the damage Magic Missile inflicts is bashing "force" damage (the impact of the missiles and all). So, thusly, a Jedi could, but he wouldn't need his saber (which is composed of plasma).

The Argent Lord · 01-18-2007, 02:52 PM

I'd say that a Jedi could deflect/absorb the missile with his saber. If is was deflected, though, I'd say it would have to impact something else almost immediately or it would come back to try again. Absorption would work the same way as force lightning.

Krylo · 01-18-2007, 03:17 PM

While the cutting blade of a lightsaber is INDEED made of concentrated light (ergo, an extremely dense photon field), one forgets that it is not the concentrated light that allows the lightsaber to parry/absorb/do anything else it damnwell pleases.

The lightsaber is an extension of the jedi, and--as is stated in the books, games, and movies--the force flows through the lightsaber as it flows through the jedi.

This is why when Yoda is grabbing the force lightning, it twirls around his hand, and is absorbed into him before being expelled--just like it does when the lightning hits a lightsaber. This is why when Vader deflected the blaster bolt from his hand, it deflected in exactly the same manner as a lightsaber would.

The lightsaber is constantly 'coated in a dome' of force energy (though this is a misnomer, it's more like the force swirls through the blade), which is what allows the jedi to use it without cutting themselves all to hell, as well. They know, preternaturally, where it is.

The lightsaber is not just 'an extension of one's will' or 'one's body' in the metaphorical sense of a normal sword to a master swordsman. No, it is in quite the literal sense, as the very lifeforce of the jedi, in the form of the force, is running through his saber.

THEREFORE, yes, a jedi could deflect or destroy a magic missile with his lightsaber.

A non-jedi, however, would not only fail to deflect the missile, but go about cutting himself to ribbons.

01-18-2007, 11:39 AM	#11
Elminster_Amaur Her hands were cold and small. Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: My Mind Posts: 2,049	True, but it'd be only about an instant before he tries to deflect with the saber. __________________ "It just rubs me the wrong way." -CJ, most likely about non-yaoi porn or something

01-18-2007, 01:44 PM	#17
Bells That's so PC of you Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: In a Server-sided Dimension where time is meaningless Posts: 10,490	Well... im pretty much sure that a magic missile would go trough a lighsaber... only around it... For the lightsaber to be able to deflect it, it would require contact... i dont see how we can afirm that contact will happen... But we the Jedi creates a Dome of Force around itself, i belive that the magic missile would hit it and stay as that, as i dont think that it could penetrate a force based shield __________________ *BELLS STORE : Clothes! You wear* them! Free US Shipping Subscription System? WTF?! Zazzle Black!**

01-18-2007, 02:11 PM	#18
Mirai Gen We are Geth. Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 14,032	Yeah, from the sounds of things a Jedi would need to use his Force Push or something like it to deflect Magic Missile. The default description on the damage Magic Missile inflicts is bashing "force" damage (the impact of the missiles and all). So, thusly, a Jedi could, but he wouldn't need his saber (which is composed of plasma). __________________

01-18-2007, 02:52 PM	#19
The Argent Lord Master of Silver Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Silver Keep Posts: 1,433	I'd say that a Jedi could deflect/absorb the missile with his saber. If is was deflected, though, I'd say it would have to impact something else almost immediately or it would come back to try again. Absorption would work the same way as force lightning. __________________ Dovie'andi se tovya sagain

01-18-2007, 03:17 PM	#20
Krylo The Straightest Shota Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: It's a secret to everybody. Posts: 17,789	While the cutting blade of a lightsaber is INDEED made of concentrated light (ergo, an extremely dense photon field), one forgets that it is not the concentrated light that allows the lightsaber to parry/absorb/do anything else it damnwell pleases. The lightsaber is an extension of the jedi, and--as is stated in the books, games, and movies--the force flows through the lightsaber as it flows through the jedi. This is why when Yoda is grabbing the force lightning, it twirls around his hand, and is absorbed into him before being expelled--just like it does when the lightning hits a lightsaber. This is why when Vader deflected the blaster bolt from his hand, it deflected in exactly the same manner as a lightsaber would. The lightsaber is constantly 'coated in a dome' of force energy (though this is a misnomer, it's more like the force swirls through the blade), which is what allows the jedi to use it without cutting themselves all to hell, as well. They know, preternaturally, where it is. The lightsaber is not just 'an extension of one's will' or 'one's body' in the metaphorical sense of a normal sword to a master swordsman. No, it is in quite the literal sense, as the very lifeforce of the jedi, in the form of the force, is running through his saber. THEREFORE, yes, a jedi could deflect or destroy a magic missile with his lightsaber. A non-jedi, however, would not only fail to deflect the missile, but go about cutting himself to ribbons. __________________ I am very tired.

01-18-2007, 11:55 AM	#12
Azisien wat Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 7,177	It can't miss the target, so the ONLY thing that can stop a magic missile is allowing it to hit, but having suitable protection (i.e. Shield spell, wouldn't Spell Mantles and Globes of Invulnerability block them as well?) Basically, it doesn't have much to do with the lightsaber, I believe the only argument that can be made is that a suitably powerful Jedi, probably a Master, would block the missile with the Force alone. Re: Yoda absorbing force lightning. Conclusion...No, a lightsaber cannot stop magic missile, but it's possible some Jedi powers can.