Avvy 5 Discussion - This Hurts Me More Than It Does You - Page 7

POS Industries · 07-13-2007, 01:29 PM

Oh, don't worry, I came off a bit grouchier about it than I meant to be. Comes from my being a jerk. I actually kinda like the idea of marble floors.

Melfice · 07-13-2007, 01:37 PM

I know you're a jerk.
Just explaining the trainwreck that is of my thoughts.

Flarecobra · 07-13-2007, 01:58 PM

Then there's our new "Friend" in the story...

POS Industries · 07-13-2007, 02:02 PM

You mean you or Sokar?

Sithdarth · 07-13-2007, 02:30 PM

I'd be very very surprised to find a modern building housing mechanical bits without ceramic flooring. Its really the best flooring material to transport heavish mechanical parts/robots on. Generally they either use ceramic tile or poor a thin layer of quick drying cement over a steel plate covered in a rebar frame. Then they leave it as is if not many people are going to use it or cover it with flooring.

The point being no modern engineer/architect would design a building without concrete flooring. No metal has the compressive strength required to hold up both the building and the stuff placed on the floor it'd bend and eventually break. (Possibly in less than a decade.)

POS Industries · 07-13-2007, 02:37 PM

I think we're a bit beyond modern in the Avvy universe, honestly.

Sithdarth · 07-13-2007, 03:03 PM

What I described was actually technology from about 50 years ago. Nowadays the pour buildings from nothing but steel reinforced concrete. Its cheaper, faster, lighter, and stronger than steel framing. It also allows for more complex shapes. Its very hard and time consuming to get prefabbed steel beams to make even a simple curve. Not to mention it actually results in a weaker structure.

Metal is just a really horrible material to build towers with. The very nature of metal means that the harder you make it the easier it will fracture and when metal fails it fracture straight through its almost like glass. Yet if you use a more ductile metal it will bend and warp over time. Especially so in the presence of heat no matter how much fireproofing you have. Further it continually oxidizes and degrades pretty much no matter what you do to it aside from completely encasing it in a foot a concrete and even then it can still corrode. These are all intrinsic properties of all metals and you can't get around them and still have a metal.

Concrete, especially when reinforced with rebar is the building material of the future. Eventually something might replace it but it will not be all metal construction. It'll probably be some kind of carbon nanotube or spider silk thing held together with a new age resin.

edit: Its actually extremely cool to watch them pour a building. They can pour a building at a rate of an entire floor per day and were talking floors the size of football fields. As concrete technology matures further I bet that will eventually increase. In the future we might see 100+ story buildings completed in about 3 weeks.

Melfice · 07-13-2007, 03:17 PM

... Sith?
I know you're a superadvanced computer and all, but...
Yeah.
Fantasy world, and all. >_>

Sithdarth · 07-13-2007, 03:22 PM

Just saying short of POS saying that magic is keeping the building up it'd have at least some concrete in the floor. I mean for safety reasons alone as there really is no way to make metal not slippery when wet. Further, any sort of heat at all would gradually weaken it if it were a true metal. Intense heat would out right make it soft. Further, as metal ages it fatigues because of its atomic structure. This is especially true of metal under stresses for extremely extended periods. Any change to this structure and you don't have a metal anymore.

Nikose Tyris · 07-13-2007, 07:50 PM

Cookies are delicious.

We need a new Game Thread.

07-13-2007, 01:29 PM	#61
POS Industries Argus Agony Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Gotta go fishing! Posts: 10,483	Oh, don't worry, I came off a bit grouchier about it than I meant to be. Comes from my being a jerk. I actually kinda like the idea of marble floors. __________________ Either you're dead or my watch has stopped.

07-13-2007, 01:58 PM	#63
Flarecobra Burn. Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Classified Posts: 11,017	Then there's our new "Friend" in the story... __________________ "Only the fool wishes to go into battle to beat someone for the satisfaction of beating someone." -A Thousand Sons Rules. Read them, know them, love them.

07-13-2007, 02:02 PM	#64
POS Industries Argus Agony Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Gotta go fishing! Posts: 10,483	You mean you or Sokar? __________________ Either you're dead or my watch has stopped.

07-13-2007, 02:37 PM	#66
POS Industries Argus Agony Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Gotta go fishing! Posts: 10,483	I think we're a bit beyond modern in the Avvy universe, honestly. __________________ Either you're dead or my watch has stopped.

07-13-2007, 03:03 PM	#67
Sithdarth Friendly Neighborhood Quantum Hobo Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Outside the M-brane look'n in Posts: 5,403	What I described was actually technology from about 50 years ago. Nowadays the pour buildings from nothing but steel reinforced concrete. Its cheaper, faster, lighter, and stronger than steel framing. It also allows for more complex shapes. Its very hard and time consuming to get prefabbed steel beams to make even a simple curve. Not to mention it actually results in a weaker structure. Metal is just a really horrible material to build towers with. The very nature of metal means that the harder you make it the easier it will fracture and when metal fails it fracture straight through its almost like glass. Yet if you use a more ductile metal it will bend and warp over time. Especially so in the presence of heat no matter how much fireproofing you have. Further it continually oxidizes and degrades pretty much no matter what you do to it aside from completely encasing it in a foot a concrete and even then it can still corrode. These are all intrinsic properties of all metals and you can't get around them and still have a metal. Concrete, especially when reinforced with rebar is the building material of the future. Eventually something might replace it but it will not be all metal construction. It'll probably be some kind of carbon nanotube or spider silk thing held together with a new age resin. edit: Its actually extremely cool to watch them pour a building. They can pour a building at a rate of an entire floor per day and were talking floors the size of football fields. As concrete technology matures further I bet that will eventually increase. In the future we might see 100+ story buildings completed in about 3 weeks. Last edited by Sithdarth; 07-13-2007 at 03:07 PM.

07-13-2007, 02:30 PM	#65
Sithdarth Friendly Neighborhood Quantum Hobo Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Outside the M-brane look'n in Posts: 5,403	I'd be very very surprised to find a modern building housing mechanical bits without ceramic flooring. Its really the best flooring material to transport heavish mechanical parts/robots on. Generally they either use ceramic tile or poor a thin layer of quick drying cement over a steel plate covered in a rebar frame. Then they leave it as is if not many people are going to use it or cover it with flooring. The point being no modern engineer/architect would design a building without concrete flooring. No metal has the compressive strength required to hold up both the building and the stuff placed on the floor it'd bend and eventually break. (Possibly in less than a decade.)

07-13-2007, 03:22 PM	#69
Sithdarth Friendly Neighborhood Quantum Hobo Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Outside the M-brane look'n in Posts: 5,403	Just saying short of POS saying that magic is keeping the building up it'd have at least some concrete in the floor. I mean for safety reasons alone as there really is no way to make metal not slippery when wet. Further, any sort of heat at all would gradually weaken it if it were a true metal. Intense heat would out right make it soft. Further, as metal ages it fatigues because of its atomic structure. This is especially true of metal under stresses for extremely extended periods. Any change to this structure and you don't have a metal anymore.