Complete Insanity! Mafia

[Captain Combustible]

Originally Posted by Pink Bunny

I killed you day one in Kittens' Mafia, CC.
(ducks)

I meant real games, seriously that game had like 5 mafias and an sk, probably a reason it died.

[Cephrir]

Originally Posted by Captain Combustible

I'm alive again! (I replaced Gir)

I am 99% sure Cephrir is mafia, here are my reasons:

Day one he said that he would believe Doc Ock was the jailor when he proved it by jailing himself and after Doc Ock did just that when other people said Doc Ock was suspicious and Doc Ock was sprung from jail he bandwagoned on Doc Ock and even though Doc Ock did a poor job defending himself he seemed obviously town too me (and I normally tend to agree with cephrirs logic).

I found his behavior (random claim under 0 pressure) really scummy. But when he jailed himself, I thought he might be town. But then there was a suggesstion about a Mafia Jailor. Now, take hypothetical Doc-ock-scum. It was a perfect scum play for him. He was excited to claim Jailor because it was a provable (generally town) power role, and would remove him from ever being a lynch target. So he claimed as soon as anyone voted him. It's kind of like a Mafia Doctor claiming Doctor because it's confirmable and eliminates them from suspicion.

After I voted for Cephrir and said I thought he was mafia I was killed at night, this is suprising since I don't remember ever being killed night one before and the only really notable thing I did was not join the Doc Ock lynch and say that Cephrir was a mafiate.

Right. Because as someone who plays scum all the freaking time, I wouln't know better than to kill people who have been opposing me in-thread, right? Seriously, I would never make such a newbie mistake.

Day two Cephrir says he opposes lurker bandwagon lynch which seems strange when he bandwagoned earlier on Doc Ock.

I always oppose lurker lynches. Lurkers are not more likely to be scum than any other random person, unless, like, the SK hasn't sent in an action for 3 nights in a row. I don't see why this seems strange considering my support of the Docwagon.

Day Three he didn't say much and didn't really put any strong opinions out there aside from his vote on ben.

Vote: Cephrir.

It was a pretty short Day, nobody had time to do much, IIRC. Notice where I voted Ben. Red Fighter was, like, totally dead. Ben had one vote. Count 'em, one. I remember that at least one person (Pink Bunny?) had expressed doubt at Red Fighter's claim. I could so easily have voted Red Fighter there. If I was scum, I pretty much could have lynched him and escaped without a scratch of scuminess. But I didn't. Instead I got the Benwagon rolling and made it an actual option.

Edited for grammar.

[Captain Combustible]

Originally Posted by Cephrir

I found his behavior (random claim under 0 pressure) really scummy. But when he jailed himself, I thought he might be town. But then there was a suggesstion about a Mafia Jailor. Now, take hypothetical Doc-ock-scum. It was a perfect scum play for him. He was excited to claim Jailor because it was a provable (generally town) power role, and would remove him from ever being a lynch target. So he claimed as soon as anyone voted him. It's kind of like a Mafia Doctor claiming Doctor because it's confirmable and eliminates them from suspicion.

What kind of mafiate draws that kind of attention to themselves and claims for no reason, when I'm mafia I tend to not claim unless I have a good reason too.

Originally Posted by Cephrir

Right. Because as someone who plays scum all the freaking time, I wouln't know better than to kill people who have been opposing me in-thread, right? Seriously, I would never make such a newbie mistake.

Would you? You're damn good at being mafia and if anyone questioned my death you could just use the same argument you're using now to say that someone was trying to make you look suspicious.

Originally Posted by Cephrir

I always oppose lurker lynches. Lurkers are not more likely to be scum than any other random person, unless, like, the SK hasn't sent in an action for 3 nights in a row. I don't see why this seems strange considering my support of the Docwagon.

I agree that you normally oppose lurker lynches and agree with that I was saying that I couldn't see you normally bandwagoning on Doc ock as town.

So well all of what you said does make sense and are good arguments I still believe your a mafiate.

[Cephrir]

Originally Posted by Captain Combustible

What kind of mafiate draws that kind of attention to themselves and claims for no reason, when I'm mafia I tend to not claim unless I have a good reason too.

But Doc ock, as you may have noticed, isn't terribly good at this game. To a fairly new player, claiming as a scum-aligned power role would seem like a great idea. I couldn't not vote him, he just seemed like such obvious scum.

Would you? You're damn good at being mafia and if anyone questioned my death you could just use the same argument you're using now to say that someone was trying to make you look suspicious.

I can't really argue with that I suppose, it's WIFOM territory.

I agree that you normally oppose lurker lynches and agree with that I was saying that I couldn't see you normally bandwagoning on Doc ock as town.

Oh come on, he was scummy as hell. 20/20 hindsight much?

So well all of what you said does make sense and are good arguments I still believe your a mafiate.

Accusations backed up by nothing FTW. If you really think I'm scum, answer this. Why on earth would I not lynch Red? I know what you're going to say: so that I could make this argument. But for scum, it's so beneficial to have a BG out of the way that it would almost be worth sacrificing themself to do it. I could have gotten away with it totally clean. But I didn't.

[Pink Bunny]

But then no PO has revealed any information on whether Red was truthful or not. Couldn't it be said that you two... Get together on occasion?

[Cephrir]

I'm not following you. Are you implying that I'm scum with Red? Because I'm pretty sure the lack of counterclaim just about confirms him.

And I wouldn't be defending him like I have been, instead I would have bussed him.

[Pink Bunny]

Ya'know... Buddies... Chums... Mafia... He was spared after all from people not voting him; indecision and secondary options came later.

[P-Sleazy]

Originally Posted by Moogle

I think B_real may be right unless I'm missing something or there's an odd role out there that would make one of them not join the others?

If there's an odd role out there then why were they there on night 1?

[Pink Bunny]

Maybe Nayno was getting one of them or the pack of them stoned? Wasn't one of the killers all tripped out and shit with the ugly eyes?

[Captain Combustible]

Originally Posted by Cephrir

Hm... I sort of believe Red Fighter, but I sort of don't. Maybe I'll vote later.
FoS: CrazyBen, I think b_real has a point there.

After red roleclaimed a few people unvoted him so your voting for red wouldn't have gotten him lynched anyway and you then made this post saying that if other people still want to lynch red you'll join while also suggesting a crazy ben lynch.