Complete Insanity! Mafia

[Moogle0119]

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[Pink Bunny]

Dok Ock was completely safe and our Lockpicking friend who doesn't understand the subtleties of... You know, picking a lock, dragged him out so he could be quick lynched. The one person defending Dok Ock, his assistant, was later killed the following night because it was totally obvious he knew Dok was either his scum buddy, or innocent~

Oh my King, with burgers and fries; didn't you say you wanted me to give you a supersize? I can't this game, I'm afraid; its true, and rude you see, for I'm starting to suspect...

That your Township status is a ruse.

We can agree that picking a lock doesn't result in exploding a brick wall, yes?
I would hope so. But for good measure, answer the question for me Kingy.

And,

Unvote: OctoberRaven

We can agree that a role that exists to undermine our own town roles and no mafia roles isn't beneficial, right?

Choose your answers carefully, B_Real, because if ya say the wrong thing you'll be demoted from the couch to the gutters. At least I know Raven's doesn't matter anymore at this point~ But you...

[P-Sleazy]

OK, where to start...I think I'll start by posting up EVERYTHING I know about the situation.

Night 1. 5 mafiates clearly in the scene.

Originally Posted by LHN

Later on in the night, Captain Combustible was patrolling the streets when he ran into five suspicious characters. "You guys match the descriptions of some evil characters around these parts. You are all under arrest!", CC asserted while grabbing his handcuffs. One of the men told another to let CC meet his late partner in hell, at which point, Captain Combustible was shot into more holes than Swiss cheese.

Night 2. There were also 5 mafiates present at the killing. 4 left alive.

Originally Posted by LHN

Jimbo was sitting in his car tonight waiting on his shift to be over when he saw some gang activity nearby. He went to investigate. However the same men who took out CC last night handcuffed him to a pole before he could react. One of the men stepped forward and said, "What poetic irony, tonight you join your uniformed friends in hell.", seconds before he shot Jimbo.

Steve was also nearby and by the time he got to the scene, everyone was gone except for the man who shot Jimbo. Drawing his sword, Steve stabbed the man in the chest and went back into the shadows.

Because these are the same men who killed CC. And it doesn't make mention of any of them missing, we can safely assume that none of the mafiates have any hiding abilities.

Now last nights death post.

Originally Posted by LHN

Steve was hot on the trail of another shady figure tonight. The figure turned into an alley and Steve followed. The figure was at a dead end with Steve close behind. Just as Steve was drawing his sword, he heard another man call out, "Wait, this man deserves a fair trial." Steve scoffed, "Fair? Why does this man deserve that? How fair has he been?" as he put his sword closer to the figure's throat. Some smoke crept through the air and all three were hallucinating within a minute. The figure responded, "Dudes, why can't we all get along? I don't know about the rest of you, but I've got the munchies, and there's an IHOP down the road." The men agreed to put their differences aside and have omeletts.
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On the other side of town, three men broke into a man's house. Finding the house empty, the men went back to their hideout.

There were 3 mafiates who broke into the hideout. And since there's no indication that this happened some time later, we can safely assume that the 4th mafiate is one of the 4 men in the scene where Steve attacks the shady guy. I say 4 because Moogle seems so adamant that he isn't the new pothead and if Red protected him last night then he would be the shady person as we know he definetly isn't Steve since it wasn't Steve who was attacked but rather attacking. So the only 2 mystery people in this scene are who Steve is AND the new pot dealer. And since there's a definite lack of a 4th mafiate in the raid on the house, it can only be logical that since Moogle isn't the pothead, he must be the 4th mafiate since the a mafiate pot-dealer would still have shown up for the planned killing whereas Moogle got sidetracked by, "proving" if you will, that he isn't a mafiate by going to IHOP with his 3 new "friends" which makes them a party of 4.

I'll also post, just to say it again, that Shady and Suspicious do mean relatively the same thing.

Originally Posted by Pink

We can agree that picking a lock doesn't result in exploding a brick wall, yes?

Originally Posted by October

Well, I am ROLECLAIM: A Town-Aligned Lockpicker and I'm the one who freed Doc Ock Rock.

Take that for what you will.

Originally Posted by LHN

Doc Ock was sitting in his cell reading a book when an explosion blew a gaping hole in the wall. A stranger entered the cell and dragged Ock to the street.

Doc Ock has been sprung from the jail. He can, talk, vote, and all those other things again.

I can agree with you that although he claimed lockpicker, that could just be the title given to him to make it obvious what his role does. Now honestly, this is a jail we're talking about. Do you REALLY think that you can just WALTZ in there and pick all the locks infront of all those guards and walk out alive? I think the blowing up just made it a little more beleivable as to how Doc Ock got sprung from the jail.

Originally Posted by Moogle

There's a lot of possibilities that you're refusing to acknowledge, like the fact that NEITHER me nor Red have referenced anything about pot or being high in our posts (besides referring to someone else). So why would I be the one with the dope?

When did I say that you were the one with the dope? Only reason I backed off you for a minute was because I thought that hey, it doesn't specify 3 or 4 people. Then you went and said "Hey, I'm not the dope head!" which meant theres 4 people in that scene cause if you're not the dopehead, then someone else is. And it isn't Steve because it would have made mention that it was he who said "dudes, why can't we..." And it isn't Red either since he's the BG who doesn't even know what his role is. And he was mentioned as a man earlier in that post and it would have said "the man said" instead of "the figure said." Which brings me BACK to this

Originally Posted by LHN

Steve was hot on the trail of another shady figure tonight. The figure turned into an alley and Steve followed. The figure was at a dead end with Steve close behind. Just as Steve was drawing his sword, he heard another man call out, "Wait, this man deserves a fair trial." Steve scoffed, "Fair? Why does this man deserve that? How fair has he been?" as he put his sword closer to the figure's throat. Some smoke crept through the air and all three were hallucinating within a minute. The figure responded, "Dudes, why can't we all get along? I don't know about the rest of you, but I've got the munchies, and there's an IHOP down the road." The men agreed to put their differences aside and have omeletts.

IF there's only 3 of us there, since each time this "figure" is mentioned it never says anything about a DIFFERENT figure showing up. Which leads me to beleive that you're the missing mafiate AND a pothead (I'll explain this in the next paragraph). Because there aren't any mafiates who disappear at night. We know that from nights 1 and 2. And if one of the mafiates was busy getting his but saved, then he couldn't possibly make it to his mafiate buddies if he's eating breakfast with his aggressor and savior.

Pothead doesn't mean you deal drugs. It just means that at some point in the game you've been targetted by the guy who deals drugs and the smoke was a way for LHN to tell us that you've been drugged. Now, since no one else seems to have any information about whether we're informed of being drugged or not, this is something that has to do solely with the drug dealer and the GM since we know that Pink was affected by the drug dealer but she hasn't received any notification of being drugged NOR has she been told to act differently than she was.

EDIT: As for this

Originally Posted by Moogle

I have never said I wasn't BG'd last night in fact I've outright admitted it's a possibility. However you still haven't addressed the fact that there probably is a roleblocker out there who gets people high by stopping them (that's my theory) or another role that stops people from attacking them with weed (as others suggested). How improbable is it that the night post was NOT referencing me and Red and in fact referencing an actual roleblocker and whoever the Vig's target was?

Red admitted to protecting you. And we haven't proved what the Drug dealer does. We know that it WASN'T the drug dealer who scared off the 2 guys from Pink but actually Red since he did protect her that night. And the 2 people who showed up that night were DUN DUN DUN! The Sk and the Pot Head. Since seems like that was the night he targetted her. And everyone involved that night got drugged up since the NEXT night when we see the serial Killer again,

Originally Posted by LHN

Another man with a bad case of red eye came in sometime later, and Nayno asked the man if he was the new dopeman to which the man lied. As soon as Nayno turned his back to get some cash, the phony dopeman put a bag over Nayno's head and asphyxiated him.

Nayno's Serial killer had red eye. A side effect from drugs wouldn't you say? So I highly doubt that we as players know if we're drugged or not. And its only evident to us in the night posts whose drugged and who isn't.

Double Edit: For all we know, it could have been Red who started the drug thing in the latest post because it doesn't say from who the smoke came from, just who said they had the munchies. And the drug thing could work like a virus too spreading from one person to the next. And seeing as how Red was with Pink last night, it seems safe to say he could have been the one who started smoking that hash-hish with Steve and Moogle and not Moogle with Steve and Red.

[Moogle0119]

Thats a great post B_real however you're still missing a vital piece..

Originally Posted by Moogle0119

I have never said I wasn't BG'd last night in fact I've outright admitted it's a possibility. However you still haven't addressed the fact that there probably is a roleblocker out there who gets people high by stopping them (that's my theory) or another role that stops people from attacking them with weed (as others suggested). How improbable is it that the night post was NOT referencing me and Red and in fact referencing an actual roleblocker and whoever the Vig's target was?

You still keep avoiding this like it can't exist but I'm fairly certain it probably is the case. Neither Red nor me have mentioned anything about anything extra that happened during that night and I know for a fact I didn't receive anything either. Going off of that, isn't it more likely that we would have received a PM from the GM or the potdealer that we are now stoned? Your idea is now that all of a sudden potheads are silent and they don't know when they are?

What you pointed out about the serial killer is very true and I hadn't seen that, however why I fail to understand why you think anyone who is stoned isn't told whether or not they are? How are you so certain that the serial killer wasn't told whether or not he may have been stoned during Night 2????

[P-Sleazy]

Actually I have answered all that. I'll quote all the stuff I posted that directly relates to it so I don't have to type it again.

Originally Posted by Me

IF there's only 3 of us there, since each time this "figure" is mentioned it never says anything about a DIFFERENT figure showing up. Which leads me to beleive that you're the missing mafiate AND a pothead (I'll explain this in the next paragraph). Because there aren't any mafiates who disappear at night. We know that from nights 1 and 2. And if one of the mafiates was busy getting his but saved, then he couldn't possibly make it to his mafiate buddies if he's eating breakfast with his aggressor and savior.

Pothead doesn't mean you deal drugs. It just means that at some point in the game you've been targetted by the guy who deals drugs and the smoke was a way for LHN to tell us that you've been drugged. Now, since no one else seems to have any information about whether we're informed of being drugged or not, this is something that has to do solely with the drug dealer and the GM since we know that Pink was affected by the drug dealer but she hasn't received any notification of being drugged NOR has she been told to act differently than she was.

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Double Edit: For all we know, it could have been Red who started the drug thing in the latest post because it doesn't say from who the smoke came from, just who said they had the munchies. And the drug thing could work like a virus too spreading from one person to the next. And seeing as how Red was with Pink last night, it seems safe to say he could have been the one who started smoking that hash-hish with Steve and Moogle and not Moogle with Steve and Red.

In all this, we know that Red protected you since he stated he did. And since we can't possibly confirm that there was a 4th person there isn't any mention of a 4th person, we can only assume that one of the 3 people present (Steve, Moogle, Red Fighter) are the ones who brought drugs into the mix. Of the three its most likely it was Red since we know he was there when Pink was affected by drugs. And he hasn't said anything about recieving notification either. So as far as we, the players know, the drugs thing is just something that comes up in night posts and only the GM and the Dealer know who is drugged and who isn't. Especially considering that drugs do wear off unless you're CONSTANTLY taking more drugs during the day which doesn't seem like its the case.

EDIT: The win condition is only relevent to whoever's dealing drugs right? So, I ask, why should the rest of the town be informed of his effect on them if it doesn't directly effect the way they need to play the game, let alone thier win condition or the way they should act during the day?

If you really REALLY want an answer to this, you might want to ask LHN, not me.

[Pink Bunny]

Whoa whoa whoa, you're mixing lies in there buddy. Just because you're wall of texting it to the size of a contract doesn't mean I'm going to be bimbo enough to not read it, going between the lines is what makes me so rich to begin with.

Red was chased off, he didn't chase anyone away from me. I want to make this pointedly clear. I have been suspicious of Red this whole time because a "Bodyguard" was _CHASED AWAY FROM ME_. Why my Rockstar Babe would need to chase off someone designed to protect me doesn't make sense, and don't say shyness; we're both used to bodyguards and agents during our runs. You think I share my assets around without security when I'm doing a shoot? Hell no. Some creeps misbehave.

Same goes for when he rocks on. Add in the drugs and we probably WANT them to watch.

Red was a form of danger or perceived to be. He was chased.

Not only that but your alibi for Raven is just silly. He would've been called an Escape Artist or Jail Breaker, not a freaking Lock Picker if he was going to blow things up. And where is this perception that Red was with me last night? Didn't everyone agree Red was protecting Moogle last night?

Also, I would _hope_ that Steve would always consider anyone he decides to slash to ribbons shady. If they weren't shady to his own lil' perception, then he needs to give up his career quick because he's going to be a SK at that rate.

Vote: B_Real

I mean really, what are you trying to accomplish here?

[Captain Combustible]

LHN has okayed gir replacing me, so I guess I Unvote: Cephrir the evil mafiate since its gir's vote now.

[P-Sleazy]

Originally Posted by Pink

Whoa whoa whoa, you're mixing lies in there buddy. Just because you're wall of texting it to the size of a contract doesn't mean I'm going to be bimbo enough to not read it, going between the lines is what makes me so rich to begin with.

Red was chased off, he didn't chase anyone away from me. I want to make this pointedly clear. I have been suspicious of Red this whole time because a "Bodyguard" was _CHASED AWAY FROM ME_. Why my Rockstar Babe would need to chase off someone designed to protect me doesn't make sense, and don't say shyness; we're both used to bodyguards and agents during our runs. You think I share my assets around without security when I'm doing a shoot? Hell no. Some creeps misbehave.

Same goes for when he rocks on. Add in the drugs and we probably WANT them to watch.

Red was a form of danger or perceived to be. He was chased.

Not only that but your alibi for Raven is just silly. He would've been called an Escape Artist or Jail Breaker, not a freaking Lock Picker if he was going to blow things up. And where is this perception that Red was with me last night? Didn't everyone agree Red was protecting Moogle last night?

Also, I would _hope_ that Steve would always consider anyone he decides to slash to ribbons shady. If they weren't shady to his own lil' perception, then he needs to give up his career quick because he's going to be a SK at that rate.

Vote: B_Real

I mean really, what are you trying to accomplish here?

Yes he was with Moogle last night I don't beleive I ever said he was with you last night. However, I did say that he was there to protect you on night 2 was he not? And it is possible that he chased off the drug dealer because he was targetting you that night as well wasn't he? And unless you're not telling us something about your "Rockstar Babe" like...you're MASONED with him, then its our safest bet to assume that it was Red with the guitar and not the Dope man.

I still haven't found an answer as to why he recognized the other 2 guys, but I'm 100% certain that one of those 2 guys were the SK and although I'm not 100% sure on the other one, I'm about 50% sure it was the Dope man. The other possibility was that it was the person who ran away from the mafia on Night 3 (last night).

As for Shady Figures

Originally Posted by LHN

Steve was hot on the trail of another shady figure tonight.

Thats not written from Steve's perspective. Its written from an Omniscient perspective. Meaning we don't know what Steve is thinking until he says,

Originally Posted by LHN

Steve scoffed, "Fair? Why does this man deserve that? How fair has he been?"

I beleive for there to be truth to these night posts and in the way they are written. EDIT: Which is why I beleive the missing mafiate to have been at IHOP with Steve and Red last night.

As for the Alibi for Raven, I'm sorry, but I'm vouching FOR him. I'm only giving an explanation for why the scene turned out as it did and why I beleive his role claim from WAY back in day 1. Do you guys really think he would do that as a mafiate?

I didn't want to lynch Doc Ock Rock on the first day, but I put that last vote on and look where that got us. Second day we lynched DBS. I definetly wasn't on that band wagon. I didn't even want us to lynch Red on the third day... So I started a perfectly plausible lynch on Ben, who turned out to be Emo. Moogle put the finishing vote on that lynch.

EDIT: Also pink, you're gonna want to unvote October if you really want that vote on me to stick.

[Moogle0119]

I only put the last vote on him because everyone that was active had already switched their votes and nobody agreed with me about IC at the time so I switched my vote over although I wasn't very certain about it I knew it really didn't matter since the deadline was soon anyway. That was a bad switch for me to make regardless of whether or not it would have affected the outcome of Day 3 at all.

Originally Posted by B_real

As for the Alibi for Raven, I'm sorry, but I'm vouching FOR him. I'm only giving an explanation for why the scene turned out as it did and why I beleive his role claim from WAY back in day 1. Do you guys really think he would do that as a mafiate?

It's a risky move, but if he was able to provide proof early on about such a thing and have himself BG'd it actually makes sense. I've seen games where mafiates BGs have done something similar (it was back on the TGC boards and I'm not really trying to dig through them right now). Either way it's entirely possible and I'd still like to hear what OctoberRaven has to say before we do anything.

Again I'll address your accusations that I am a missing mafiate and being mentioned in the night post. I highly doubt Red stole Nayno's pot from Night 2. If Red is a bodyguard what reason does he have even to steal the pot if he's protecting Pink Bunny? I'm fairly certain it had to have been someone else with a roleblocker role or some sort of thief role who used it on the Vig last night which actually makes a lot more sense than this "silent pothead virus" theory you keep insisting is true. Also I'd like to address this...

Originally Posted by B_real

There were 3 mafiates who broke into the hideout. And since there's no indication that this happened some time later, we can safely assume that the 4th mafiate is one of the 4 men in the scene where Steve attacks the shady guy.

Actually no, while it is a possibility in no way does it clearly state that and assuming such generally makes an ass out of u and me. Unless you have information that isn't in the public post B_real, I have seen nothing to indicate that all the mafiates are regular old mafiates without anything special in their roles.

Also on your point about shady and suspicious being the same thing. If you look the words up in a dictionary I will agree with you, however it would be ridiculous to not take into consideration that the night posts usually can't reveal the entire person unless they are killed. If the night post referred to a man with a blue eyepatch in two different spots I would agree that that person is the same in each instance. However something fague like shady or suspicious doesn't cut it for me. Hell you're pointing out that the "figure" has to be the same person each time, so if I was to use your logic should we comb through each night post and find a mentioning of any "figure" has to possibly be me?

[P-Sleazy]

Nope, just in that scene. And it makes it clear when Red joined in on that party. So why doesn't it make it clear that a 4th person joined the group? Because there was no 4th person. And each reference of the figure in that post, is the same shady figure.

And if you would look at the original post where I posted the meanings of "Shady" and "Suspicious", you'll notice that I put it in a quote. And you'll also notice that the quote tag says "Originally Posted by Dictionary.com." So yes, I did look them up in a dictionary.

As for the virus cult thing. Since its a win condition for one person where EVERYONE in town has to be a part of it, it makes it a more attainable win condition, since the leader of this cult has no control over his new "inductees" let alone any information on them. All the drug dealer knows is whose got it and who doesn't. And the latest night post suggests that I'm right about this since the drug dealer wasn't involved with the three of you last night.