Nothing is as it Seems Mafia: The Game

[Ole' Dude With the Face]

[deathpost] Damn, shot in the head... that sucks. Anyways go my alignment! [/deathpost]

[wasoe]

So, okay, it's been confirmed Axl's a mason. I just read DM64's post and I've just realized that one of Axl's mason groupies has probably been culted or a part of a mafia. (Why not? Newb was masoned to Nikose, the Romano Don)

So my priorities have changed. Unvote: OctoberRaven
Vote: Axl
because I still find this whole mason-who-is-also-a-roleblocker role suspicious.

Or he could be part of a cult. Since the cult is allowed to talk outside of the game, couldn't you say that the cult members are masoned together?

[OctoberRaven]

Originally Posted by wasoe

So, okay, it's been confirmed Axl's a mason. I just read DM64's post and I've just realized that one of Axl's mason groupies has probably been culted or a part of a mafia. (Why not? Newb was masoned to Nikose, the Romano Don)

So my priorities have changed. Unvote: OctoberRaven
Vote: Axl
because I still find this whole mason-who-is-also-a-roleblocker role suspicious.

Or he could be part of a cult. Since the cult is allowed to talk outside of the game, couldn't you say that the cult members are masoned together?

That's one reason why I think Axl's a possible cult member.

I'm also wondering why he would be THAT concerned with his 'mason' buddy outing him. If it's true, after all, then he's likely to be town, right?

I would say that SS doing the outing means he's the one most likely to be cult, OR he thinks the others are cult and is trying to get scum to kill them.

Also, did Newb say other people were masoned with him besides Nikose? Did he specifically say only Nikose? This might help.

[Captain Combustible]

Originally Posted by wasoe

So, okay, it's been confirmed Axl's a mason. I just read DM64's post and I've just realized that one of Axl's mason groupies has probably been culted or a part of a mafia. (Why not? Newb was masoned to Nikose, the Romano Don)

So my priorities have changed. Unvote: OctoberRaven
Vote: Axl
because I still find this whole mason-who-is-also-a-roleblocker role suspicious.

Or he could be part of a cult. Since the cult is allowed to talk outside of the game, couldn't you say that the cult members are masoned together?

So because one of his mason group might be a mafia traitor or have gotten culted we should lynch him? I don't see where that conclusion came from. Also I don't believe that cult would randomly reveal they are connected since if one of them dies and comes up cult then there all obviously going to be suspects.

Vote: Wasoe, he has been acting suspicious all game, newb thought he was scum and I think his arguments are bad.

[Ape Boy]

Originally Posted by OctoberRaven

Also, did Newb say other people were masoned with him besides Nikose? Did he specifically say only Nikose? This might help.

According to Zavage, ODWTF and Brock Samson were talking with Newb, so we're likely to assume they are his mason mates.

[Ape Boy]

Unofficial Vote Count

OctoberRaven (1):
Brock Samson
Ape Boy
Axl
OctoberRaven

Tendronai (1):
Zavage
B_real_shadows

SecretSkull (0):
Ryanderman

Moogle0119 (1):
Tendronai

Ryanderman (3):
Jeneralissimo
OctoberRaven
Bananarama
Ape Boy

Wasoe (2):
OctoberRaven
OctoberRaven
Captain Combustible

Axl (1):
Wasoe

Scratched out names are people who UNOVTED for the particular person they are under. B_real, Wasoe and I think one other person put up the words "UNVOTE" but never had a vote active, so they aren't scratched through anywhere. Parentheticals are the current number of active votes that person has. Apologies in advance if I’ve missed anything.

Also, if you hadn't noticed, my own name has been crossed off, because...

UNVOTE: OctoberRaven
VOTE: Ryanderman

Looking back through all the posts to take a Vote Count, I came across something I missed from PB, who is pretty much the only person I trust implicitly at this point: “If valid (OctRave’s claim to have protected Tendronai), Roy and Ryan still had no business targeting him.”

Coming into today, I still had suspicions on Ryan, Axl and Rave. Of those, we have no idea what Ryan was doing with Tendro and nothing he’s said thus far has really explained it beyond “It’s a secret”. I’d be willing to believe OR’s protection claim for now to see what was going on with Ryan.

Roy gets a huge FoS: Roy for being caught in a straight-up lie, but doesn’t get the vote due to Ryan’s history, which isn’t helped by Roy lying in the first place.

[P-Sleazy]

You know, now that I think about it, I'm more inclined to try and get one of the two cult leaders by killing Moogle instead of a possible cultist/self-aligned scavenger in Tendronai.

UNVOTE: TENDRONAI
VOTE: Moogle

[Roy_D_Mylote]

Originally Posted by Ape Boy

Roy gets a huge FoS: Roy for being caught in a straight-up lie, but doesn’t get the vote due to Ryan’s history, which isn’t helped by Roy lying in the first place.

It was not a lie. And if it were, I certainly wasn't "caught" in it. It's more like, I said something and then everyone just pointed to the stuff a guy said two posts ago. That's not really being caught in a lie. I wasn't trying to pull a fast one.

[DarthMauler64]

I feel a tiny bit less confident in my mason theory, because I realized that there are multiples of the other groups, so there might be a second mason group.

However, I still want to try and confirm one of them. Even if they are masons, I think at least one of them is scum.

Vote: Ryanderman

This will likely change. I was debating between Ryan and Axl, because they were suspicious before, though once again I don't remember why. Also, someone will probably bring up a good case against someone else, and it will sway me because mine is just a gut feeling.

[Ape Boy]

Originally Posted by Roy_D_Mylote

It was not a lie. And if it were, I certainly wasn't "caught" in it. It's more like, I said something and then everyone just pointed to the stuff a guy said two posts ago. That's not really being caught in a lie. I wasn't trying to pull a fast one.

Alright, to be completely fair, Roy is right. I've misspoken.

Zavage put up a potential list of who visited/targeted who. It looks to check out, with some pretty detailed N1 info, a collection of the Masons that seems accurate, and a group of three who targeted Tendronai.

OctRave immediately owned up to visiting Tendro with an ability he has claimed to have for a bit, and Ryan owned up to targeting him for something.

Now the odds of Zavage making up the majority of N1-3 info and just happening to successfully pick out two guys to have visited Tendro are pretty slim, which is why I believe you're lying.

Where I misspoke is this: You indeed haven't been caught in a lie yet. I do think you are lying and you've been called on a potential lie, but until it's been proven, you haven't been caught in one yet.

And, unfortunately, it does put you in a pretty untennable position if you are indeed telling the truth.