Nothing is as it Seems Mafia: The Game - Page 143

OctoberRaven · 02-01-2008, 04:26 PM

Something concerns me now: How long was Sithdarth culted?

I'm assuming Moogle visiting him means he tried to BG him. So it couldn't have been N1.

Meaning whoever is the leader of the Cult of Music has knowledge of who the Condantino members are.

The earliest he could have culted Sithdarth was N3, giving him three nights to take the others.

This doesn't account for when B_Real II was culted, though.

Don't suppose anyone might have any clues?

EDIT- Wait, B_Real was culted N6. Nevermind that part.

So it's unlikely he was going after the Condies, or he would have scooped them all up.

Pink Bunny · 02-01-2008, 04:27 PM

Sithdarth was more than likely culted at game start, although I cannot prove this. The working theory is Cult of Personality targeted him night 1, and Cult of Music culted him night 2.

This is based off of Zavage's data.

OctoberRaven · 02-01-2008, 04:29 PM

Moogle being there contradicts this, though.

Ryanderman · 02-01-2008, 04:30 PM

It's my theory that he was culted by both cults on night 1, but no one else seems to agree with me. Which is fine I suppose, if a bit dissapointing.

If Moogle is the BG, he would likely not protect against culting.

EDIT: Sith died night 2, so there were only two possible nights for him to be culted.

Pink Bunny · 02-01-2008, 04:30 PM

Explain?

Also, I'm reviewing old posts, so rest assured I am here real-time and active for discussion. Wheee. That said, this quote is hilarious to me;

Quote:

Originally Posted by B_real_shadows

So...I was originally just a culted Roleblocker. Now I'm a Culted Mafiate roleblocker.

Its the super-powered changing power role again!

Because it was true.

Ryanderman · 02-01-2008, 04:32 PM

I explained here

EDIT: But that was without the data provided by Zavage, which I didn't know about. But if Moogle is the Cult Leader, it strengthens my theory.

Ape Boy · 02-01-2008, 04:33 PM

Ryan, your entire theory is based on the idea that both Cults got him SithDarth on Night One, but if that were true, then we wouldn't even be having this discussion at this point.

Why? Because then one or the other Cult Leader would've been dead Night Two.

If both CL's visited him on N-1 as you're suggesting, then Sith would've had the information on both Cults and whichever group had "priority" (as it was called earlier) would've demanded to know about the other.

We know with 100% certainty that Major Blood was the Politician and visited him on Night One. If Moogs was the other CL, why in the world would he leave Major/Doppler alive for over a month, especially after he knew that people could be inducted into both groups?

He wouldn't, because he's a good bit more intelligent than that.

I'm going to...

VOTE: Bananarama

...because his claim is the most suspicious, because I support my Mafia, and because PinkBunny has had a good handle on this game from the beginning, like I've said before.

OctoberRaven · 02-01-2008, 04:33 PM

Okay, I'm under the impresson that BG can protect against cult (going by Spider-man mafia where I was protected from the CL by a BG).

So if Moogle was with Sithdarth on N1, he had to be there to BG him.

Pink Bunny · 02-01-2008, 04:35 PM

That's a big leap you're making. BG protecting from cult isn't a standard from my understanding. Village mafia had it. And maybe Spider-Man Mafia had it (I don't recall that...) But there are roles out there created specifically to protect from being Culted.

In fact, this game, unless SS lied, has them.
Ryan protects from kills.
SS protects from Cult.

If Ryan protects from kills and cult, isn't SS' role a bit gimped for no reason?

Ryanderman · 02-01-2008, 04:35 PM

That's a good point. Seriously. I took into account Sith giving the Band Leader all the information on his mafia, but not on the other cult leader.

I'm not entirely ready to give up on my theory yet though. I need to mull this over.

EDIT:

Quote:

If Ryan protects from kills and cult, isn't SS' role a bit gimped for no reason?

Definitely. secretskull and I discussed that at the beginning of the game, as Fenris neglected to mention whether I protect from culting. There's been precident before for BG's only protecting against night kills, not cult, and there's been anti-cult bodyguards before as well, so that's what we assumed we had here.

02-01-2008, 04:26 PM	#1421
OctoberRaven We have custom party of fun! Join Date: May 2005 Location: Inaba... OH CRUD THE FOG Posts: 395	Something concerns me now: How long was Sithdarth culted? I'm assuming Moogle visiting him means he tried to BG him. So it couldn't have been N1. Meaning whoever is the leader of the Cult of Music has knowledge of who the Condantino members are. The earliest he could have culted Sithdarth was N3, giving him three nights to take the others. This doesn't account for when B_Real II was culted, though. Don't suppose anyone might have any clues? EDIT- Wait, B_Real was culted N6. Nevermind that part. So it's unlikely he was going after the Condies, or he would have scooped them all up. __________________ "There is no instance of a country having benefited from prolonged war"- Sun Tzu "OctoberRaven Productions Comics: We're Not Funny! But we try!" Last edited by OctoberRaven; 02-01-2008 at 04:28 PM.

02-01-2008, 04:29 PM	#1423
OctoberRaven We have custom party of fun! Join Date: May 2005 Location: Inaba... OH CRUD THE FOG Posts: 395	Moogle being there contradicts this, though. __________________ "There is no instance of a country having benefited from prolonged war"- Sun Tzu "OctoberRaven Productions Comics: We're Not Funny! But we try!"

02-01-2008, 04:30 PM	#1424
Ryanderman Beard of Leadership Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 827	It's my theory that he was culted by both cults on night 1, but no one else seems to agree with me. Which is fine I suppose, if a bit dissapointing. If Moogle is the BG, he would likely not protect against culting. EDIT: Sith died night 2, so there were only two possible nights for him to be culted. __________________ ~Your robot reminds me of you. You tell it to stop, it turns. You tell it to turn, it stops. You tell it to take out the trash, it watches reruns of Firefly.~

02-01-2008, 04:32 PM	#1426
Ryanderman Beard of Leadership Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 827	I explained here EDIT: But that was without the data provided by Zavage, which I didn't know about. But if Moogle is the Cult Leader, it strengthens my theory. __________________ ~Your robot reminds me of you. You tell it to stop, it turns. You tell it to turn, it stops. You tell it to take out the trash, it watches reruns of Firefly.~

02-01-2008, 04:33 PM	#1427
Ape Boy This was a triumph Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Lowry Park Zoo, 3rd cage from the back Posts: 183	Ryan, your entire theory is based on the idea that both Cults got him SithDarth on Night One, but if that were true, then we wouldn't even be having this discussion at this point. Why? Because then one or the other Cult Leader would've been dead Night Two. If both CL's visited him on N-1 as you're suggesting, then Sith would've had the information on both Cults and whichever group had "priority" (as it was called earlier) would've demanded to know about the other. We know with 100% certainty that Major Blood was the Politician and visited him on Night One. If Moogs was the other CL, why in the world would he leave Major/Doppler alive for over a month, especially after he knew that people could be inducted into both groups? He wouldn't, because he's a good bit more intelligent than that. I'm going to... VOTE: Bananarama ...because his claim is the most suspicious, because I support my Mafia, and because PinkBunny has had a good handle on this game from the beginning, like I've said before. __________________ Nothing to see here. ...Seriously. So stop looking. Pervert. Last edited by Ape Boy; 02-01-2008 at 04:37 PM.

02-01-2008, 04:27 PM	#1422
Pink Bunny Shyguy Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 100	Sithdarth was more than likely culted at game start, although I cannot prove this. The working theory is Cult of Personality targeted him night 1, and Cult of Music culted him night 2. This is based off of Zavage's data.

02-01-2008, 04:33 PM	#1428
OctoberRaven We have custom party of fun! Join Date: May 2005 Location: Inaba... OH CRUD THE FOG Posts: 395	Okay, I'm under the impresson that BG can protect against cult (going by Spider-man mafia where I was protected from the CL by a BG). So if Moogle was with Sithdarth on N1, he had to be there to BG him. __________________ "There is no instance of a country having benefited from prolonged war"- Sun Tzu "OctoberRaven Productions Comics: We're Not Funny! But we try!"

02-01-2008, 04:35 PM	#1429
Pink Bunny Shyguy Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 100	That's a big leap you're making. BG protecting from cult isn't a standard from my understanding. Village mafia had it. And maybe Spider-Man Mafia had it (I don't recall that...) But there are roles out there created specifically to protect from being Culted. In fact, this game, unless SS lied, has them. Ryan protects from kills. SS protects from Cult. If Ryan protects from kills and cult, isn't SS' role a bit gimped for no reason?