Chrono Trigger DS: Something Positive To Say

[bluestarultor]

I just have to say this.

I hate Gamestop. They need to burn. There are people out there who have never heard of CT and are gullible enough to believe that rot. Had I the power, I would make CTDS a Gamestop Non-Inclusive. By which I mean I would totally ban Gamestop from seeing a single copy for the rest of eternity.

Fuck idiocy; fuck Gamestop.


On that note, I'm going to say I personally find a lot of merit in replaying old games as an older person. Kids miss out on a LOT.


Also that the main reason I took up (primarily) blunt weaponry was for the express reason that I wanted to take the guesswork out of whether or not I was going to do lethal damage by accident. My brother is a sword person because, frankly, he likes cutting shit with it. Including our trees, bushes, and occasionally the grass if I let it get too long. The kid's like Fighter with that thing in his hand. I prefer to use something that I know I can beat the shit out of someone with if I have to, but that isn't going to kill someone if I only need to give them a whack to rein them in a bit. Also, a staff gives me range.

[Professor Smarmiarty]

Originally Posted by bluestarultor

I just have to say this.

I hate Gamestop. They need to burn. There are people out there who have never heard of CT and are gullible enough to believe that rot. Had I the power, I would make CTDS a Gamestop Non-Inclusive. By which I mean I would totally ban Gamestop from seeing a single copy for the rest of eternity.

Fuck idiocy; fuck Gamestop.

Seriously?
I was amused by it and far more interesting than reading
"Join Chrono and his friends in an RPG adventure across time".

[Jagos]

Originally Posted by Dante Must Die

The re translation kind of forces me because I'm curious what they changed. (and I'm still upset about Lucca's line to Marle; it was classic!)

You mean where Marle talked to herself in the end?

[Magus]

I too thought the description was funny. The Napoleon Dynamite reference took me back three or four years, y'know, to the good old days.

[POS Industries]

What are you guys talking about?



That was always the canon ending!

[BitVyper]

He lacked the conviction to risk his life or take the life of another.

He journeyed right beside Cyrus the whole time. He may not have wanted to kill, but he definitely was willing to risk his life. Cyrus wasn't alone with Magus and Ozzie on that cliff.

Well-adjusted human beings reflexively try not to hurt each other with objects designed to kill.

Right, but that isn't what the discussion is about. We were talking about training being translated into practical use.

Think about it--if you were reflexively trying not to hit someone when it was safe to do so

Hitting someone with a bokken can kill them. There are plenty of live blade excersizes as well, and while those generally aren't done with a partner, traditional dojos can be quite small, so you get desensitized to swinging at other there too.

Frog wasn't the type to easily overcome it.

No. Frog made a conscious decision not to fight at all. That's easy to do, and completely different from what I'm talking about. The discussion was in regards to Crono going from training to fighting real battles. Crono had already decided to take a path that would put him in life or death fights (although he didn't fight an actual human being for a long time (if Dalton counts as human)). Everything I said was in reference to what actually happens in a fight. Training is specifically designed to get you ready for the practical application. That's what it's for. There are plenty of excersizes out there that are all about get you over reflexively flinching at hitting or being hit. If you're actively choosing not to carry a sword or fight at all, that sort of puts a hiccup into the practicality of being a swordsman.

When Frog actually fights, he doesn't reflexively avoid striking, or pull his punches so to speak. Aside from the fact that it's a video game, and therefore not a perfect simulation of real life, the reason is likely because he was still a swordsman the whole time; he was just a swordsman who refused to actually fight, taking reflexes and adrenalin completely out of the equation.

Edit: And again, keep in mind that this is all in reference to the practical use of training. Of course a person who hasn't practiced is going to be different. My friend notes that the hardest thing for most people, armed or unarmed, is striking straight through another person. His personal take on that is that we, like many other animals, are geared more toward threatening displays when confronted with an opponent who can hurt us, rather than actually making the most direct attack possible - trying to end the situation without starting the kind of fight that leads to injury or death.

[Jagos]

I'm to think that Glenn/Frog never really had anything to fight for. When he lost Cyrus, revenge is a much better thing to fight for than say, boasting you have talent in whatever.

Magus forced him to look at what he'd accomplished by not fighting for what he believed in. He lost his best friend, he was changed into an animal, and he had no drive. Face it, Magus practically did him a favor.

[katiuska]

Originally Posted by BitVyper

Crono had already decided to take a path that would put him in life or death fights (although he didn't fight an actual human being for a long time (if Dalton counts as human)).

He fought humans before Dalton, or rather, a human. Why Janus goes from being a relatively normal-looking, green-eyed kid to an adult with red eyes and elf ears is beyond me, but the Zeal family is human. They're just from an extremely magical strain that Lavos had some influence in developing.

Also, I'd say there's still a distinction; in training you might be able to kill someone, but it's not your intent. I can only imagine going into it prepared to take a person's life is another deal, even if you're trained to take on the proper mindset. Things don't quite become real until you meet them face-to-face.

[Moogle0119]

Actually I think the first time Crono fights any humans would be the guards in the Guardia Dungeon/Prison when he's locked up for kidnapping Marle in 1000 AD.

[Fifthfiend]

Oh my word that Chrono ad was the greatest thing I've ever seen. I'm weeping tears right now, tears of pure joy.