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Unread 06-17-2010, 10:37 PM   #11
Aldurin
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Religous conversation isn't allowed on NPF.
I did not know that, and I'll keep from stepping in that turd-bomb from now on.


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First, to have any hope of tearing down established science you must first know established science. Otherwise you're bound to stumble into known mistakes. You can't revolutionize the way cars are fixed without knowing how cars are currently fixed. Same thing goes for science.

Beyond that thermodynamics would like a word with you and whoever wrote that scientific american article. Thermodynamically speaking there is both a past and a future. Combine that with Einstein's treatment of time as a dimension that is inextricably linked to space and it is clear that in someway the thing we call time must exist. It might not work how we think it works and clearly our units are arbitrary but our perception of time is definitely a manifestation of something physical and real about the universe.

The real interesting thing is that time might not be so much a single straight line as we envision. If you subscribe to the many worlds interpretation of quantum mechanics then the past you remember is only one of many possible pasts that could have lead to your present and the future you imagine is truly on of many possible futures you can find yourself in. There are an infinite number of possible presents as well. Some subset of these (which is still probably infinite) are simultaneously explored by various versions of you. Of course that is only on interpretation. There are others but they all need some version of time. The real key is that in all of them the past you remember is more or less fixed for you because you remember it and that combined with thermodynamics and relativity makes time real.

Of course the other side of this is kinematics. Bodies couldn't move without some sort of physical "thing" (for lack of a better word) that could be called time. Without moving bodies we don't have kinetic energy, temperature, magnetism, atoms, and a bunch of other things. These things don't require the existence of say seconds or minutes or a single constant linear path through time but something inherently physical that we would perceive as time.
You know, that got me thinking to how everything in the universe comes down to the movement of atoms, molecules, electrons, various particles and energy forms. With that in effect, the moving object in question could not go backwards, sideways, crossways or even stopping on its own. It would keep moving forward until a separate force interferes. As this is the true progression of events for any given thing, time must be in a definite direction. Forces like gravity can only affect the speed of time, not the direction. Time must exist, only as a dimension of constant direction and varying intensity.

Damn, you guys got me to finally out-think my own moment of illogicalness. And there isn't any brain parts on my monitor at all. Tear this revelation apart and then I might finally have to give in and let my head explode.
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