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Unread 07-03-2012, 07:53 PM   #11
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Originally Posted by Azisien View Post
It is unwise to trust the ignorant to educate themselves, by themselves. The burden is on the activist I'm afraid.

In a more general sense of argumentation, the burden of proof IS on Liz, though I think the arguments have been presented in a sufficiently detailed manner at this point.
Nitpicking, but this isn't logically consistent. The ignorant are unaware and therefore do not ask to be educated. If one claims ignorance and then asks to have the issue explained one has admitted that one is aware that there is an issue, therefore one has admitted that one is not ignorant. One may be ignorant of minor particularities* and certainly one may be forever ignorant of what it's like to live as a minority, but one is not so ignorant they are unable to educate themselves about transphobia in general (or any other social issue). Claiming the burden of proof is on someone else is a cop out.

You can't be ignorant and simultaneously claim you're ignorant.

*Which Liz detailed in literally her very first post
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