D&D Shenanigans

[tacticslion]

Originally Posted by Smarty McBarrelpants

If you're epic level 20th level characters can't do shit. My character who was level 35 and had one level of every character class and one level of a lot of prestige classes and had old age penalties (ie. the worst built character ever) managed to take down a tarrasque in 1 round on 3 seperate occasions. He murdered 4 old white dragons in 1 round.
20th level characters are like little flies.

On Leadership's PowerYeah, in theory... until you realize that ten magewrights working in concert can mass-gate epic/advanced solars, pit fiends, efreet, and others to do your bidding and grant you nearly-infinite wishes, create nearly infinite wealth, and similar such things. Especially if you (with your epic authority) artificially boost their caster level. You will literally have the ability to have most of heaven and hell under your command with the appropriate conjurer-enabled choices. I mean, heck, even if the GM rules that a thrallherd only gets NPC classes, the leadership feat specifies that you can take penalties and get PC classes. Do that, build them up, get your stuff on, and win DnD. Epic characters are amazing, but they can only do so much by themselves (without epic magic, see below). All that said, with leadership you'd still have your epic-level cohort.

Epics can do most things, especially with epic spellcaster feat, unless the GM says "no".As to your "epics can do anything": to a point. Especially because at epic levels (unless house rules are in play, as in my games) things end very, very quickly. Save-or-die (with an emphasis on die) happens at epics all the time.

Murder a tarrasque? Okay. Even thrice is doable (although it's not exactly murdering a tarrasque unless you gated him out of the world and wished him dead forever, and even then...). Old Age penalties aren't all that bad, especially for casters as they get the old-age bonuses to go with them. Prestige classes (depending on your choices) could up your magical power, even if you only took one level of them - and you'd have to have specialized in some skills just to gain access to the prestige classes. Once you've upped your magic, you could simply take "epic spellcaster" and *bam*, you've won DnD. Taking one level in every class grants you something extraordinary: saves, and incredible ones. By the time you're epic, you've got better-than-perfect saves and you've got a ton of exploitable stuff from 24 prestige classes. Uber-multiclass isn't great, but it's not as bad as people think.

I do admit I'm making presumptions:
~ 1 you took one of the elven core classes, leaving you 24 prestige class levels
~ 2 about half of those are were magic-based granting you a +12 to caster level(s), granting you access to game-breaking 6th level spells (meaning you don't really have to worry about number three, but it's there anyway)
~ 3 you took epic magic, the most overwhelmingly, mind-blowingly annoying theoretically uber-powered things while simultaneously being an utterly annoying and under-powered thing ever, bent entirely upon the DM's whim

Finally, taking out 4 old white dragons in a round is only possible under unusual circumstances including 1) powerful weaponry and 4 attacks in a round [not possible with RAW multi-class, as you indicated above], 2) fortuitious (for you) spell-rolls/choices with them in a poorly clumped group and/or quicken spell (automatic metamagic [quicken spell] would be useful, but unecessary)and the epic feat that allows you to use more than one quickened spell in a round.

Originally Posted by Melfice

... this seems a somewhat anti-climatic ending.
I mean, don't get me wrong, the whole bit is amazing, but the way you bring it. I expected at least 2 big books, or something.
Still, nice work.

I really don't know what else he could have said, other than detailing what his friends' desires were. I still say he should have remade the world out of himself, like I recommended*, but I suppose this works too!

*That's in this post for all you tactics lion fans!