Going Nuklear

[Fifthfiend]

(Well, I wrote all of this and then saw the "moratorium" discussion had been closed, so, here it is.)

The original announcement pushed about every button I personally have that can be pushed, but I figured, well, I should at least see what you guys had to say as far as explanation, maybe the situation wasn't exactly what it had seemed at first. All I can say is, well, so much for the benefit of the doubt. So, here's my response, and sod civility, cause that was thrown out the window from the get-go.



Shiney and Mashirosen:

Knock it the fuck off already.

You know, I could deal with the ban, but what I won't deal with is the constant stream of crap you two have been spouting since you announced it, which frankly is the about the biggest bunch of condescending, arrogant know-nothingist BS and ignorant self-justification I've ever heard. If you two are supposed to be authority figures in this community, you might try acting like it, instead of like my 10 year old cousin anytime somebody lets him be the banker in fucking Monopoly.

-I'd like to know exactly what you guys mean by "political" and "politically motivated," because you still haven't bothered defining that. As far as thread closings, you've done Get Your Vote On (no brainer), anything to do with Iraq, and the F-9/11 thread. Meanwhile, you've left open Abortion, Virginia's Gay Marriage Act, Media Bias, and Pirate Act. I don't get what leads you guys to think those threads aren't political -- for God's sake, two of those deal expressly with current legislation!

The only way I see the Iraq discussion being different from abortion is if you are somehow under the impression that while abortion is a relevant issue on which people wish to their deeply held convictions, whereas one's stated opinion on the war and desire to discuss it are tied inextricably to some ineffable love/hatred of George W Bush.

Censorship's fine and well, but what the fuck do you expect people to do when you haven't actually told us what we're not supposed to say? Stalin was less fucking obtuse.

-You guys maybe want to explain what you mean by "spewing propaganda"? I mean what, like citing fucking facts and information from reputable news sources that are relevant to the discussion? I guess it's easier to call everything "propaganda" than ever having to fucking read anything. And incidentally, when Mashirosen's posting shit from goddamn Prevention.com, how in fuck's name is that not pro-abortion propaganda by whatever fucking insane definition you're using?

And seriously, Shiney -- it's propAganda, if you're going to spout off about it this goddamn much, get it goddamn right. And when Mashirosen's posting shit from goddamn Prevention.com, how in fuck's name is that not pro-abortion propaganda by whatever fucking insane definition you're using?

To suit those who do have a voracious, nay, instatiable, nay, indefatigable hunger for all things political, I have saved you 11 seconds and given you a google search for Political Discussion Forums.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&...G=Google+Search

-Not that I'm not grateful for the timely little lesson on the existence of the Google search engine, but it's just possible those of us who have an insatiable appetite for knowing what the fuck we're talking about already know where to go for politics-only discussion.

Thing is, most all-politics forums end up being not even preaching to the choir so much as preaching to a bunch of would-be preachers, and most mainly non-political forums that also try to have 'serious discussion' mostly consist of the same ignorant-ass platitudes I can get from Cokie Roberts on the Today show.

The discussion thing here was good because there's a decent cross-section of opinions, from people who actually like paying attention to things and backing up their opinions with facts -- whoops, "propaganda".

-Try getting your goddamn story straight, would you?

I personally don't want to hear the names Bush or Kerry or Nader or any of that shit for months and months. Only place I even want to read them is on the ballot.

don't say this is inspired only by me or by personal feelings. In a very real way this is saving the discussion forum entirely.

So it's inspired by your, Kurosen, and Mashirosen's "personal feelings," whoopity-doo. And the only thing you guys seem interested in saving is the spotless perfection of your beatiful minds. I don't know, this probably qualifies as "politically motivated," but there's a great quote about destroying the village in order to save it you pricks might want to look up sometime.

I don't remember hearing complaining like this when we decided religious discussion wasn't allowed, and we did that for just about the same reasons. If you can understand why we did that, you really shouldn't be having so much trouble wrapping your heads around this one.

-You know, if you'd announced that decision by saying "no more religion discussion because we just can't fucking stand Jesus and by the way, the Koran is a bunch of propaganda, here's some random religious webpage for you now fuck off," it's just possible some strong feelings might possibly result. Possibly. So, y'know, maybe try 'wrapping your head around' that one.

[QUOTE]I will begin to be cynical and come off sounding like a complete child. [ /QUOTE]

-Pot motherfucking Kettle. Being a child you've got nailed, and there's no kind of cynical worse than someone can't be bothered to so much as listen to a viewpoint outside their own Goddamn experience.

Lycanthrope and Muffin Mage, thank you. You guys get the point.

-What, you mean that the purpose of this forum is to find a bunch of people willing to call you "almighty"? Fuck that. And as far as this goes --

A moratorium isn't permanent people. Your making a mountain out of a mole hill.

-- again, try getting your story straight, because well, I'm sure as hell not the one saying --

In a very real way this is saving the discussion forum entirely.

-- which sounds to me like you're the ones making a mountain, out of something that smells way worse than a damn molehill.

I mean...if [Kurosen] had made the post, would you be questioning his decision and PMing him?

Hey Brian Clevinger -- your moderators are being dicks, and if you back them up, you're a dick too.

There, Shiney, you happy now?

Look, stop acting like you assholes are somehow above the rest of us. You're a bunch of college-age-plus fuckwits same as me, and the ability to run a fucking webcomic forum doesn't give you some kind of Goddamn monopoly on self-righteousness.

You probably could have said you just don't enjoy political discussion without acting like everybody who does has some kind of fucking mental illness. Nobody knew there was a problem until you jackasses said so, and maybe if you hadn't been dicks about saying so, that would have been the end of it.

You want to be ignorant, fine, but I swear, you guys just clutch that ignorance to your breast like it's some kind of treasure, and then strut about displaying it around like some kind of fucking badge of honor and license to look down on anybody who actually knows shit about shit.

You don't like it? Get out.

Done and done. I like the posters on this forum, and it was nice having something to do while I'm stuck in the middle of nowhere all summer, but if it means putting up with mods who want to live in some insulated fantasy world where their beliefs are as the writ of God and the mere possibility that they themselves might just possibly be the assholes is inconcievable, then screw it. If this is the kind of behavior people are expected to put up with here, then clearly I'm not the kind of people you're looking for.

I guess I might check back eventually just to see if I've been formally banned or what, but aside from that I'm done with this.

Fuck you fuck you fuck you fuck you fuck you you're cool fuck you I'm out,
Fifthfiend