The Death Penalty

[Devon Lake]

what the fuck?

*Sigh* When you hold a trial, you need to hold it FOR something. Thus, someone is charged with a crime and the trial is used to determine beyond a reasonable doubt if that person committed the crime they were charged with or not. Now, people are going to have to be charged with crimes they didn’t commit, because before the trial you’re not sure whether the person has committed the crime or not (Thus the point of a trial.) and you can’t discriminate and only charge guilty people.

hence the ankle braclet or at least holding them somewhere other than in jail

And how is this ankle bracelet supposed to work if I cut my foot off as I said? They going to track down my lobbed off appendage and put that on trial? Between the punishment for murder and adjusting to a prosthetic foot, I’d have to pick the foot. As for being held somewhere else, generally people will consider anywhere they’re being held jail. Hotels are nice, but I wouldn’t want to be forced to stay in one over the course of a lengthy trial; I mean jumping on the bed, watching TV, using the pool, those will only hold you so long. That’s why jury duty sucks you see. If being in a prison during a trial is to much for you, chances are even if you’re in an Arabian pleasure palace straight out of 1001 Nights you’re still going to be miffed about having your freedom of mobility and such taken away.

i was talking about little things that don't warrant a huge investigation like speeding and the like

I see, so on a discussion regarding crimes serious enough for some people to call for capitol punishment you decided to bring up such piddly offences as speeding tickets, not tell anyone, and expect us all to know what you’re talking about? Sounds to me like you’ve merely stumbled into the “No True Scotsman” logical fallacy. In any case, it would cost a shit load of money if every speeder we wanted to catch needed to be caught on tape; too much considering that traffic tickets are rarely challenged in court.

hence it IS possible. it would require a lot of work, but it's possible. about the only thing they can't prove is how many breaths you took, and for all i know they just may be able to prove that as well. forensic science is extremly advanced and can in fact prove anything given the time

First of all, that’s hardly being caught red handed. Second of all, DNA would only ever be circumstantial evidence in most cases. Third, not everyone’s DNA is on file. Fourth, most given crime scenes would be contaminated by the DNA of people entirely unrelated to the incident because the funny thing is that people are everywhere. Fifth, if people charged with serious crimes are held in jail, they may very well go about destroying the actually damning evidence. Seventh, what does finding a few of my dead skin cells and hairs on a corpse really prove? Eighth, if I’m found standing over a butchered corpse with blood everywhere and that’s not enough for me to be charged with anything, what the hell good is DNA evidence going to do? Ninth, a moment ago you were just saying that all crimes should be caught on police video recorders as indisputable proof, so again you’ve committed the “No True Scotsman fallacy”.

You can have all the evidence in the world (As Funny Looking pointed out.) and it could still never prove 100% that you committed a given crime. Besides that, the “lot of work” you’re talking about is what makes it unfeasible because it would require so much work as for society to collapse under the exertion.

[/quote] if they can't give things back they can be forced to work for it and the proceeds go to the person they robbed[/quote]

As I said, most robbers aren’t materially well off; in many cases, they’re probably unemployed. If you force them to pay up for their crimes, you know what they’re going to do? Steal some more! You could give the person a job, but considering all the law abiding people out of work, it’s a tad unfair to be giving our jobs out to the robbers. Sure, robbers are often made to pay back their victims in addition to fines and jail, but in a lot of cases it’s just not feasible.

[/quote] it wouldn't be rape if they took pleasure in it, there a drastic measures you can go to so as to ensure they wouldn't, but i'd be breaking the rules to explain them[/quote]

Well ya, that’s the point, you couldn’t rape them back because anything you could give them wouldn’t bring rape. Say you just picked up a victim impact statement and tired to inflict that back on the criminal. If some teenage girl has suffered the indignity of having her virginity stolen from her, been brutally raped and psychologically scared for life by a big horrible brute, how do you pay that back? I don’t think a pain like that could be compared to any physical pain, and how can you inflict shame on someone who gets their jollies from rape? What are you going to do, have an animal rape them? First of all, again I’ll bet some rapists would enjoy it, and second of all that would be punishing the animal. Go medieval on their anus? Physical torture really isn’t rape.

would you honestly rather go to jail? hell if i were caught doing something like that and had to give up a coat or face jail time i'd give up the damn coat

Holy crap, are you even listening to what I’m saying? That entire paragraph was from the point of view of the retailer, not the shop lifter. I wasn’t concerned with the loss of the robber, I was concerned with the horrible loss of the shopkeeper in implementing your eye for an eye policy.

i was talking about burglery, not petty theft

In that case it’s an even worse idea. You think a burglar having a bit of his shit stolen is really going to deter him? For that to be any sort of loss, he’d have to be caught more than half the time.