Another Big Big Thread of Religious Discussion

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Originally Posted by Serenity

Asking a white person to apologize is the same sort of ancestral blame that was used to rationalize the oppression of blacks (and other non-white non-semites) because of the sins of Ham (Genesis 9:22 + 9:25).

Who are you?

Its said several times in the Bible that Jesus' sacrifice on the cross can give us an all new slate, and we are no longer burdened by the sins of our ancestors.

Simply because a rationalization was used, does not make it right. Again, I say, it was basically more or less an excuse for the white man of the time to gain money and power. Thats all it ever is.

Er... you do know why Catholics baptize babies at birth, right? Because of original sin? aka ancestral sin dating straight back to Adam and Eve?

Oh, I thought it was because Romans 3:23 says all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God.

On that note, you do know why Protestants DON'T do that, right? Mainly because accepting Jesus, or being baptized, has specifically stated several times to be a choice, so baptizing babies doesn't do squat according to the Bible.

Not reading very well then, are you?

Who are you you again?

I think you're the one who isn't reading very well.

Originally Posted by Luke 6:27-28

But I tell you who hear me: Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you.

Originally Posted by Matthew 9:12-13

It is not the healthy who need a doctor, but the sick. But go and learn what this means: I desire mercy, not sacrifice. For I have not come to call the righteous, but the sinners.

Originally Posted by John 15:17

This is my command: Love one another.

As for your quotes, in Matthew 15:24 you DO realize he actually was being somewhat sarcastic there, right? The original hebrew implies some humor on his part because Jewish people thought the Messiah was meant only for himself. He healed the woman's daughter without hesitation immediately afterwards. He tells his disciples to go into ALL the world and preach the gospel to ALL nations. Not just Jewish.

For the Luke quote, he says immediately before that how he's distressed about the situation. In fact, it was a very accurate prediction, as he was simply saying that faith divided people. I don't think he's saying he WANTS to divide people, he's just saying that his message WILL. Realism doesn't equate to what you're implying.

For the second Luke quote, again it comes down to a town that completely refuses Jesus is screwed by their own disbelief. If Jesus is the only way to heaven as he claimed, not accepting them doesn't get them in. You could say their doing it to themselves rather than God having anything to do with it.


So, anyway TheSpacePope asked how I rationalize bad things done in the name of religion, and I answered it. You can't just pick half-verses without any background on it to disprove what I believe.

In fact, I'd love for you to be able to contradict the verses I quoted the same way I did yours.