Pokemon Umbral Discussion 21: We'll Get To Mission 3 Eventually...

[Dracorion]

Originally Posted by Geminex

So he'd be cool with both of them being polygamous as well? Cause then I might have Impact go for Shizuka after all...

Pretty sure I've made this threat before: break deals, and we descend into apathy. Every thread will be filled in a day of mindless, pointless discussion without ever reaching an agreement because we can't trust each other.

And I'm totally okay with that. Hell, I prefer it. But I'm keeping my deal.

Besides, I've already pretty much got everything I need from you. The only thing is we'd end up competing for girls, and I've got a head start. And, if we throw the deals to hell, you don't get Pierce's support.

Pierce is pretty much hardwired to be a one-woman man. It's going to take some serious convincing for him to enter into a relationship with both Chizuru and Shizuka, and he'd have to know they're both committed to him, because he'd be commited to them.

[Geminex]

All we said was that you'd get rivalry and relationship with Shizuka. If Impact were to begin a similar relationship, as long as it doesn't interfere with yours, would that be a problem? Possibly. But I wouldn't be breaking any agreements.
But that's just... rhetorical. For now, anyway.

And if he really is so determined to make sure that he makes the best possible decisions for both women, I very much doubt he could conceivably consider polygamy. It just doesn't seem right. What benefits does it have that could outweigh the demerits?

And hell, the only reason you have a head start on girls is because Impact's been holding back, and none of the girls appealed to him before. That may change now that we've got some female slayers.

[Menarker]

Originally Posted by Dracorion

Pierce is pretty much hardwired to be a one-woman man. It's going to take some serious convincing for him to enter into a relationship with both Chizuru and Shizuka, and he'd have to know they're both committed to him, because he'd be commited to them.

Pretty sure this goes against the entire notion of having a harem or sex rampage, so I support Pierce being hard-wired as a one-woman man. By which I assume he's not cheating on them once they start trusting him, which I expect Chizuru would expect or she would be heartbroken. I doubt she would take to news of her "loved one philandering" with a sense of humor. And I expect she will only be willing to be physical about her emotion at that cruical point of trust.

[Dracorion]

Originally Posted by Geminex

And if he really is so determined to make sure that he makes the best possible decisions for both women, I very much doubt he could conceivably consider polygamy. It just doesn't seem right. What benefits does it have that could outweigh the demerits?

He won't. It pretty much depends on Pierce believing he's good enough for both of them. Which, is going to take some serious character growth, and a lot of persuasion. And he certainly won't be the one that proposes it.

Originally Posted by Geminex

And hell, the only reason you have a head start on girls is because Impact's been holding back, and none of the girls appealed to him before. That may change now that we've got some female slayers.

Well, go nuts with the female Slayers. Just stay away from my bitches.

Originally Posted by Menarker

Pretty sure this goes against the entire notion of having a harem or sex rampage, so I support Pierce being hard-wired as a one-woman man. By which I assume he's not cheating on them once they start trusting him, which I expect Chizuru would expect or she would be heartbroken. I doubt she would take to news of her "loved one philandering" with a sense of humor. And I expect she will only be willing to be physical about her emotion at that cruical point of trust.

I'm pretty sure I can make it in a way that Pierce stays mostly innocent, protected by his awkwardness. So they might be slightly butthurt, but would forgive him.

No, I'm not dropping the harem idea. Ever. I'm just figuring out how Pierce could get both Chizuru and Shizuka. It basically relies on them committing themselves entirely to him, and convincing him that he's good enough. Which might be extremely OOC, but again, no one expected Shizuka to sleep with Pierce.

Besides, given enough time, they could grow into the state of mind. It's not like I'm saying Pierce should get both of them tomorrow.

[Geminex]

It basically relies on them committing themselves entirely to him, and convincing him that he's good enough. Which might be extremely OOC, but again, no one expected Shizuka to sleep with Pierce.

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Ok, but see.
We assume that the kimonos are still in a monogamous mindset (we know that Chizuru is, because of her whole "I want a big, traditional family with lots of children" mindset, ). As such, if you're in a relationship with one kimono, when the others know about it, they'll be discouraged from entering into a similar relationship. Considering how close they all are, I doubt the others wouldn't know about it.

You're somehow suggesting that, regardless of that, they both want a relationship with the maximum possible commitment with Pierce. In other words, either, one's in a relationship with Pierce and the other suddenly decides she wants the same relationship, or they both magically get the hots for Pierce at the same time.

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I really don't se that working, unless Shizuka and Chizuru are fine with sharing him. And I think I'd protest vehemently against that.

[Dracorion]

Originally Posted by Geminex

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Ok, but see.
We assume that the kimonos are still in a monogamous mindset (we know that Chizuru is, because of her whole "I want a big, traditional family with lots of children" mindset, ). As such, if you're in a relationship with one kimono, when the others know about it, they'll be discouraged from entering into a similar relationship. Considering how close they all are, I doubt the others wouldn't know about it.

Technically, her profile says "She desires to have a wonderful husband and a large family above all else." That doesn't necessarily exclude poligamy.

Originally Posted by Geminex

You're somehow suggesting that, regardless of that, they both want a relationship with the maximum possible commitment with Pierce. In other words, either, one's in a relationship with Pierce and the other suddenly decides she wants the same relationship, or they both magically get the hots for Pierce at the same time.

Yeah, I know. I don't see it either. But I'll figure something out! Or AB will figure something out! Or AB will die trying.

Originally Posted by Geminex

I really don't se that working, unless Shizuka and Chizuru are fine with sharing him. And I think I'd protest vehemently against that.

This coming from the guy who gets mind control. Tell you what: you don't protest if Pierce gets Shizuka and Chizuru, and I won't protest if you gather yourself a harem of NPCs. As long as you don't get excessive. I mean, I'm only getting two girls.

But yeah, Shizuka and Chizuru need to be fine with sharing Pierce. AB, make this happen.

[Menarker]

Originally Posted by Dracorion

This coming from the guy who gets mind control. Tell you what: you don't protest if Pierce gets Shizuka and Chizuru, and I won't protest if you gather yourself a harem of NPCs. As long as you don't get excessive. I mean, I'm only getting two girls.

But yeah, Shizuka and Chizuru need to be fine with sharing Pierce. AB, make this happen.

You just said you weren't dropping the harem idea! You're all over the place!

And you don't get to request that from AB this early and so soon after getting Shizuka!

[Dracorion]

Originally Posted by Menarker

You just said you weren't dropping the harem idea! You're all over the place!

Hey, what I say and who Pierce does are two entirely different things.

Originally Posted by Menarker

And you don't get to request that of AB this early and so soon after getting Shizuka!

I'm not saying it has to happen right now. I'm making a demand that it needs to happen. Somewhere along the line. Preferably soon, but most definitely not late.

And Pierce hasn't gotten Shizuka yet. He's just made giant leaps in the right direction.

[Geminex]

Oh, and since Drac hasn't yet replied to my PM, I should probably throw this in:

AB, I demand that Shizuka and Chizuru are anything but fine with sharing Pierce.

[Astral Harmony]

Y'see, it's when you guys keep asking questions that makes this stuff take longer. However, since we're not in any real hurry to kick off mission 3 right yet, that's really no problem.

And now onto the tidal wave o' questions:

1. Yes, you can super-class and dual-class at the same time. Just remember that you can only buy one level of either class after each mission, and be forewarned that you will most likely have three classes to level up in by the time you get to make choices (your primary class, your secondary class, and demon).

2. The Demon class will need to be worked on for a while, but there'll be such upgrades as automatically devouring those you kill (or defeat) which will result in restored health, cleared status effects, and Rage Point bonuses.

Increased stats (beyond Legendary), summoning lesser demons, ki powers...I could go on and on. I just need some thinkie time.

3. I approve the changes to Dark Abyss. Thanks for coming up with a balance, you two. Chizuru, give the two of them hugs 'n' kisses.

Chizuru: "Not goddamn likely."

4. Renny...goddamnit! I mean, Menarker, all those items sound good.

5. Yes, Mika is still with PATCA. She, Kirie, and Chizuru are all bunking up with you guys. Ain't you lucky?! Chizuru, give 'em all hugs 'n' kisses.

Chizuru: "If I said 'not goddamn likely' the first time, what makes you think I'm going to change my mind a few minutes from then?"

6. This is not a question, but something I feel could be good advice regarding those Kimono girls:

Long Unresolved Sexual Tension, or LUST. Basically, the Kimonos haven't been hitting it for centuries. Aside from Chizuru, Kiyomi, Rio, Mika and Nyoka, the other Kimonos could break and give in to even the slightest sexual stimulation under the right conditions. Romantic scenery, beautiful night sky, somewhat shitfaced, Pierce said what Shizuka liked to hear. That kind of thing. Then it's not difficult to all to have the best kind of Pokemon battle...

PIERCE GRANGER was challenged by GYM LEADER SHIZUKA MIZUNO!
PIERCE used Harden! It's super effective!
SHIZUKA used-aw screw it, I'm not going to do an omake on this shit. Next question, please!

7. Dinner isn't underaged and I'm not sure what made everyone think that she was. But if it's something quite evident, I apologize. Still, be careful. Remember that Dinner is the goddamn Overhuman and if you bring her to orgasm, there'll probably be world-destroying non-elemental waves of energy. Then you wouldn't know whether you were cumming or going. *rimshot*

8. As for age, she doesn't really have one. Well, she does, but nobody knows it. But it's definitely more than eighteen.

9. Pierce, here's how it's going to work: bang Shizuka until you're serious about a relationship, then go for Chizuru. It's the only way you're eating both pies in your lifetime. Because you're not getting both at the same time and you won't be banging Chizuru if you'd started a relationship with Shizuka. Believe me, it's for the best. Chizuru can be more frightening than Fujiko if you really get her mad.

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Is that everything? Good, because I done came up with something new. Yeah, fire watch, again. But I'm starting to feel that this'll be the last thing I'm updating about the battle system.

Hey, you know how I typed up probably way back when in Discussion 19 about every PC getting to choose one Enforcer for themselves? Well, now I'm giving you the ability to switch yourself out with that character. Here's how it works:

- You can only switch positions with your Enforcer at the start of the Ally Phase.
- Specialists do not have their own Enforcers, and thus cannot switch.
- Consider the character in the formation to be in the Vanguard while the character that is switched out is in the Rearguard.
- On the first turn, a character in the Rearguard will recover from any status effect (including being defeated, but with only one HP for recovering from defeat.
- On the second turn, that character will recover all of his/her health.
- On the third turn, you will have 100/100 RPs if you were defeated and 50/100 RPs added to your total if you were not.
- Enforcers will automatically switch in if you are defeated at any time.

This is how it applies to Slayer and Pokebrids. For you fuckers with Pokemon, only your two primary Leader Pokemon will recover in this fashion.