Ex-cop manhunt in LA; tragedy ensues

[Jagos]

Meet Chris Dorner. His uncensored manifesto can be explained best in a certain context. Hell, I can explain it in one word.


Racism. No, he's not racist. But as you read about a man who is thoughtful, intelligent, and very armed and dangerous, you begin to wonder how could a man decide to kill cops. In LA, you can kind of figure out why as you read his words. He's been the target of racism for a long time. He's been a whistleblower against injustice. And he's decided to take a stand against the corruption that caused his termination from the police force.

To explain in a nutshell, Dorner blew the whistle on his superior which lead to him being terminated. The superior officer kicked a perpetrator while they were down, causing a laceration in their eye which set up a chain of events leading to Dorner's dismissal from the LAPD.

As you read his words, you can understand his viewpoint even if you don't confine his actions... He tried fighting in court, he explained his reasoning and now he's aiming to use the bullet box instead of the judicial system.

Of course, the police do NOT want him alive... Just for driving a pickup, a couple was shot with one woman shot in the back and another shot in the hand. The LAPD has as many victims on its hands as Dorner at this point.

The timeline can be found here .

The man has a death wish and the best I can do is try to understand his actions. Having a manifesto helps but I have no idea what to believe right now given the severity of the crimes for Dorner and the LAPD.

-e- The media aren't in Big Bear:

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lano...to-leave-.html

So my conspiracy theory is that they're preparing a drone strike.

[Jagos]

So I have a hunch...

I think that the "cop killer" might have been set up and I'm not positive on it. Indulge me a bit on my conspiracy...

Just in the same week, the LAPD let go of some officers for acting like a gang.

Now is it possible that the guy killed innocents? No question...

But can I also believe that the LAPD decided to go after him and set him up to assassinate him in the press?

Maybe... With everything that this guy talked about, I'm willing to give this guy the benefit of the doubt until I have more to go on.

[Kim]

I'd be more sympathetic if he was just killing cops.

[rpgdemon]

How can anyone be sympathetic to ANYONE who's taking lives? That's seriously sickening.

Edit: Like, do you believe in the death penalty for the mentally ill then? For the "sane and healthy criminals"? I am seriously revolted by that statement. Someone should die for having a problem with their judgmental faculties, is what you're essentially saying.

[Osterbaum]

I'll go as far as saying the comment might have been a bit distasteful. But she did say more sympathetic, which doesn't necessarily imply that she is tremendously sympathetic to the whole thing either way. And it also seems like you're displaying a level of anger in response to Kim's comment that most people, including people here, don't seem to display when cops opress or even kill people for no good reason.

Like, do you believe in the death penalty for the mentally ill then?

That's quite a leap, unless there's something I'm missing here.

[rpgdemon]

Originally Posted by Osterbaum

I'll go as far as saying the comment might have been a bit unsavory. But she did say more sympathetic, which doesn't necessarily imply that she is tremendously sympathetic to the whole thing either way. And it also seems like you're displaying a level of anger in response to Kim's comment that most people, including people here, don't seem to display when cops opress or even kill people for no good reason.

I'm just as angry. I am opposed to killing.

That's quite a leap, unless there's something I'm missing here.

The leap is this: So, the cops who are guilty are criminals. The role of society isn't to punish those who are guilty of crimes (Because of any sort of mental illness, or their situation in the world, or whatever), but to try to help them STOP criming it up, and to help those who were affected rebuild and repair. Kim's attitude above, applied to criminals in general and not just these cops, is essentially saying to murder off the mentally ill, to keep the "sane" safe.

I mean, from what it sounds like, some of these cops are clearly mentally ill. So is the other guy. It's pretty terrible in general to say that we murder certain mentally ill people, because those people have abused power to murder others. That's not how you help society.

[Jagos]

Originally Posted by Kim

I'd be more sympathetic if he was just killing cops.

I'm not exactly sure what to believe just yet. There's another story that may be related which causes me to think that the guy may be innocent.

[Sifright]

it's hard not to be sympathetic to some one who has had their life destroyed by institutionalized racism and a group that holds them selves above the law.

[Sifright]

Originally Posted by rpgdemon

How can anyone be sympathetic to ANYONE who's taking lives? That's seriously sickening.

Edit: Like, do you believe in the death penalty for the mentally ill then? For the "sane and healthy criminals"? I am seriously revolted by that statement. Someone should die for having a problem with their judgmental faculties, is what you're essentially saying.

because people are more than just the final acts they take after their life has been destroyed by a police force that is renowned as one of the most racist police forces in usa?

It's easy to see how a person can be pushed so far they break?

His manifesto explains everything quite well, and if even half of it was true which i'm sure a great deal more than that is true. I can empathize with what lead him to break down.

Edit: I also don't see where any of the other police officers involved had mental illnesses.

Unless you are ascribing believing you are above the law and immune to such.
and that Hating on black people is a mental illness.

In which case all I can say is what.

[rpgdemon]

You're attacking a different thing than I am saying. Rather than go through the motions, I'm just going to exit stage left, and you can realize that arguing phantom points does not make any sense, as no one is arguing against you.

Kim said that cold blooded murder, with no motive aside from the fact that the murderees are cops, would make someone more sympathetic. That is sickening.

To find someone less sympathetic because his violence isn't pointlessly directed at someone, and is instead directed at someone in anger, is a disgusting attitude. To find someone sympathetic BECAUSE they're taking lives of people who honestly are messed up is not a healthy way to look a the world.