Mafia: Basic

[P-Sleazy]

that was the FIRST time I pointed a finger at you.

The reference to Major blood may count if you want to make it two but that was merely a correction to Majorblood's statement that I'm not the one whose voting wrecklessly. He said one thing about voting wrecklessly and suddenly turns on his own logic and votes for me, whose voted ONCE mind you, again "such and such's logic appeals to me"

[secretskull]

Wait people. Most of you seem to agree that Catlover is most likely not scum, right? What you are saying is that you think he is a townie, but that he is too dangerous to keep, and that we need to get rid of him. Bullshit. There is absolutely no reason for the town to lynch a townie. We already have the mafia, and likely the SK and vig killing a townie each night. If you consider the people who have quit, we cannot sacrifice a townie like this. Even if this wasn’t the case I would still say not to vote for him. Our job as town is to hunt down the mafia, not help them along. Lynching someone we are sure is a townie (even if he votes wildly) is just as bad as not lynching at all, perhaps even worse.

[Mondt]

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What don't you people understand!?!??!

One vote versus 20* others is not dangerous! Only in bad, bad situations will his vote matter. A danger to the town is a serial killer, or IHMN in last games with his vigilante random-killing. One vote could matter, but most of the time it does not. It's not like he will cause a snowball or anything. His logic-- wait, what logic? See my point? This happens every game I'm in. They think someone is dangerous when he really probably isn't.

*Around there. I odn't know the exact amount because I'm too lazy to check it.

Edit: I forgot the asterisk part of the post.

[Sithdarth]

Well for starters one vote can matter as random voting can allow the mafia to hide. If a townie just votes for the random people its really hard to tell if he's mafiate or not. Also, there is no way to tell if he's just a mafiate trying to throw us all off the track. Additionally, just because we currently think he isn't scum doesn't mean he isn't. Given the choice of potential scum with a dangerous style of play and potential scum that will probably tip their hand later I'd rather get rid of one harder to spot.

Its not like anyone is saying I know he's a townie and I want him dead. Its more I'm not convinced he's evil but I'm willing to risk him being a townie because he's not really helping. So its better we get rid of him instead of someone else we aren't sure of that could actually turn out to be helpfull if they aren't mafia.

[The Wandering God]

I was actually waiting for Mesden to post, so that way I could respond to everything at once. However, I'll just put her and CmP aside right now, and talk about various other things.

I think what we have here is B_Real being intimidated by Mes. Partially by her previous actions, and partially by them here. I've already summarized what I've thought of her above. And since I'm still waiting for her to respond (especially now that B_Real has "defended" himself), I really think we should wait on this a sec. Let's see what she has to say.

As to Catlover... maybe the vig should just take care of him. Yes, he could be a townie. COULD be. Or he could just not have learned his lesson from last time. And he doesn't seem to want to change either. (I can remember multiple times when his voting was commented upon poorly.)

And not voting for him (or otherwise offing him) because he votes randomly? Do you realize what kind of precedent that would set? Suddenly people will be able to say, "Yeah, my votes changed a bit, but not nearly as much as Catlover's and you haven't tried to lynch him." Yeah, that's a smokescreen for the mafia/sk.

The ONLY reason to be worried about lynching him is if he has a town alligned role. But the way he plays, I'm not sure how much he could utilize it.

Soooo, should we just let the Vig take care of him or what?

The Wandering God

[Thundergod Cid]

Originally Posted by TWG

And not voting for him (or otherwise offing him) because he votes randomly? Do you realize what kind of precedent that would set? Suddenly people will be able to say, "Yeah, my votes changed a bit, but not nearly as much as Catlover's and you haven't tried to lynch him." Yeah, that's a smokescreen for the mafia/sk.

Couldn't agree with this more. Do we really want it established that

Originally Posted by catlover

I do suck horribly at Mafia games.

is an acceptable response to allegations of suspicious behavior?

[Silly Kitty]

Well, if we let the Vig take care of him we still have to lynch someone. I say we lynch Catlover because he doesn't really know the rules of the game and is just going to vote randomly and be easily swayed. As Darth said that could effect something. I think this all depends on when the deadline is set by the GO.

[Fenris]

Originally Posted by Silly Kitty

Well, if we let the Vig take care of him we still have to lynch someone. I say we lynch Catlover because he doesn't really know the rules of the game and is just going to vote randomly and be easily swayed. As Darth said that could effect something. I think this all depends on when the deadline is set by the GO.

I smell a Jer all over again.

But, he was a bit more direct. He started the finger pointing, whereas catlover20410 is just throwing out votes left and right.

So, I'm going to go with my gut, and after hearing catlover's defense, and not buying it as an acceptable response:

Vote: catlover20410

EDIT: How'sabout we get another vote count. And make it legible, Newb, please?

[DarthMauler64]

Vote: CatLover

He throws his votes around alot but we really have no good leads. I'll be frequently checking up on this thread if new evidence arises, or CatLover has something else to defend himself with.

[Mondt]

I thought we decided it was a bad idea to lynch townies in the last 3 games?

I know we don't know he is a townie, and as DS said, he could well be a mafia. But nobody is lynching him because they think he is a mafia hiding behind a mask of stupidity, theyare lynching him because he in inexperienced.