Mafia: NPF edition

[Inbred Chocobo]

Okay, now what should I do... go with a gut instinct vote which has known to hit mafianese people? Or should I go for the more plan of attack route, and try to figure out who to vote for?

Because my gut is saying The Space Pope, but I have nothing to base that off of.

As for Neyo, it is an interesting accusation Ecurt, but I am kinda iffy on it. I'm going to hold my tongue, because I'm thinking that defending anyone but myself might be a bad idea.

So I am going with my gut on this one

Vote: The Space Pope

Edit(the post above me ninja'd me so I might as well.): Thing is, the mafia could have voted like newbs when they are vets to throw us off. Its hard to tell exactly why they killed Twid the first night. I'm kind of leaning towards a random kill myself.

[Roy_D_Mylote]

What has Space Pope even done? Has he even posted in this thread?

[Mesden]

Originally Posted by Roy_D_Mylote

What has Space Pope even done? Has he even posted in this thread?

NO! But you don't have to post to give a bad vibe!

And I'm not going to doubt IC off the bat again. In the very first game, the very first vote, which was his and random, he HIT mafia dead on.

[Roy_D_Mylote]

Is Space Pope a good player in the other games where maybe he was more active?

I'm not neccesarily doubting IC, I'm just trying to understand his reasoning.

[Steel Shadow]

Originally Posted by B_real_shadows

..for the mafiates, the inactive players are gods to them since thats less people to defend against when their accused and less votes on them too...

Just thought I'd mention that this would be very bad for the game if they do think like that. LAst time I was mafia we DID think like that and the game was canclled due to... inactivity


And I'm pretty sure ICs reasoning is we have nothing to go on yet, so he's just looking it over and seeing if he's phsicic or something. It's a standard begining tactic. He'd better hope it doesn't snowball and get space pope killed, which he'd get blamed for and then it'd probably leadd to his own lynching. Unless he's scored another mafia, in which case I hope it does. 's not likely though. And people this game look reasonable enough to belive him if he said it was a mistake.

[dojindog]

A Space Pope vote would be more than likely a bad idea Space hasn't eally posted anywhere as of late (I think) and might be going through a period of inactivity there are a few other inactives that I think would be better subjected to an inactivity vote

[Sithdarth]

The staying on people's good side part...I can see your point, but I just don't agree with it. If you're on EVERYONE'S goodside, then you really can't contribute much to the town, unless you're trying to steer clear of, oh, say the vig and SK if you're mafia. Same goes for if you're SK, Vig, PO, BG or CL and you're trying to stay on the good side of killing roles.

But for a townie, getting on everyone's good side seems to take away from any effectiveness you could have towards the town, aside from just being another positive number.

I don't see how I'm shooting myself in the foot. Sure I said I'd stay neutral but I'm not an idiot. If there is sufficent evidence I will vote for a guy, though right up to the end I'll probably continue to attempt to find a reason not to. I'd expect the same from everyone else. On top of that I think I'm being fairly effective right now as it is. Why exactly so I go around voting for people with only a little evidence when I know other people will do it for me? Especially since then I can play the role of objective observer and perhaps add to the case or point out its flaws.

Simply put the person who accuses someone on very little evidence will always face the stigma of having a score to settle with the accused. Even if the other players never even voice the concern to themselves its there in the back of their minds eating away. Likewise anything the accused states in his defense is going to have the taint of a mafiate trying everything to save himself. (Except in the rare case the person is a very good manipulator then only a couple of people will probably see it that way.) So really I think my stance allows me to be a great help to the down. I sort of act as the frontal lobe sorting and processing infromation so it makes sense.

Yeah...But in this case, we lose if you do that.

I know it's crazy but I'm so commited to the idea as to risk it. However, I don't think it'll lead there myself. I can see why you might think that and I hope I've addressed it.

That's a problem, now isn't it? You can't be a good guy to everyone, since that will soon lead to you being bad, Mr. Morals.

Just because you like to stay neutral doesn't mean you can't condemn a man to death. Hell if anything it makes it easier, if proper evidence is in place. Sure as I said I'll be counter pointing any flaw I see in the case against some up till the very end but at the same time I could very well be voting for him/her. I know its a crazy contridiction but I kind of like that. Implicit in all of this is that sometimes even a totally neutral observer can tell who the bad guy is and will go after him. Neutral does not mean nice to everyone it means giving everyone the benifit of equal treatment. I fail to see why that's so horrible.

It can have the side effect of getting on a lot of people's good side but thats not so horrible really. Apparently it also gets me killed as this is the way I've played in both games I've played in and both times I got hit by a night role on the second night. So maybe my play style is more dangerous than being aggressive but its to much a part of me to change.

Again, someone with a lot of influence, which you may have and may be building up, CAN make a stupendous difference. I refer you to game 1's Psycho Mantis.

However, if I tipped the scales in the other direction so completely then the side for lynching him would become weaker. Thus I'd focus more on arguing from that side. If I haven't made up my mind about a person, which would be the only reason for me to really hammer home either side of the debate, I'd always strive to keep other people as neutral and objective as possible. That means not convincing them to lynch or not to lynch. That means convincing them to take a second look at things. Of course as stated before somethings just don't need a second look and if I'm convinced I'll be right there with you digging the grave.

As for the personality thing you have two choices either believe it or don't. I had assumed you had interacted with me enough in other places to tell at least in part what I was thinking. Sure I can't prove it with words but you've seen me, or so I assume, rant enough times in enough other places to know I like to stay neutral and objective. That is until such time as I've firmly made up my mind on a subject then I become a very driven person. I know I haven't posted there in awhile but the discussion forum is a great place to see that in action.

I know its a horrible defense and I know it means nothing but there just isn't any other way to explain any of that. I also know that this isn't really helping that in any sort of logical way as this statment is pretty much exactly the same as those ones. It has to be said though because I just can't ignore the points of yours that I can't directly counter with concrete facts or less I look like I have something to hide. So there you have it honesty is the best policy.

[Silly Kitty]

Meh, I don't really find Mes' case convincing. It just seems to me that she is taking some little thing the Darth said and then analyzing it to make him look guilty. This seems to be what she does every game. I don't think Darth is guilty. I'm not rash with my voting either so I am gonna FoS: Roy because it seems like you just went along with what Mes said and then said you could be wrong to cover yourself. No vote because that really isn't anything to vote for.

[Bailey]

Okay, this might or might not be my last post for the next two weeks, so I better make it count.

IC's accusation of SpacePope just tastes different in my ears from how his earlier accusation did. I think he's wrong this time. Can't explain it, just, it's jumping up and down throttling my eyeballs saying "pay attention!"

Also, on that note, I've been watching people and how they act differently with different roles. I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say that Mesden is a townie for once. I've seen her in every role except bodygaurd and serial killer, and I think I've seen enough of her to figure out what that would look like. She just looks townie to me.

Not in the what, but the how.

Pay attention to how people say things.

[Ogianres]

FOS: Sithdarth

Sith, I know it may sound crazy, but I find you suspicious because you are too helpful. Being helpful is supposed to be a good thing, but when you are too helpful, it makes me believe that you are mafiate (or SK or cult) trying to act helpful to be on people's good sides, to avoid anyone believing you lynch-worthy. It also can throw suspicion off of other scum (if you are mafiate and not Sk etc.) by having people read through your helpful posts. But you could just be trying to be helpful, like you said, and thus aren't deserving of a vote.
FOS: Inbred because you voted for someone that hasn't even posted in the game yet, thus not having any concrete evidence to lynch him. I can understand if it was to get him to post, but from the looks of things I don't think that's why you voted for him.