Pok?mon Umbral Discussion 10: PvPing Inside and Outside the RP

[Geminex]

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Legendary pokemon:
Primal beings, some of which are responsible for time, space and the FABRIC OF THE UNIVERSE, others of which are just immensely powerful, more intelligent than all members our group combined, and capable of enslaving any amount of humans to their will.

Trainers:
People who use apricot-based technology to make pokemon do what they want to do.

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I mean seriously, fucking apricots. How does that make sense? Legendaries are supposed to be just that. Legendary. Incredibly powerful, unique, the thing of myths and epics. Gods, or demi-gods, at the very least. Training and controlling just one should be enough to stretch a trainer's abilities to the limit! And you're talking about getting three of them!

And while that can be justified, (like I said, in-game balancing can come later), you're basically getting these super-powerful monsters for free. What gives? They are a clear upgrade to your fighting ability, and while AB does seem rather willing to dispense superpowers, we really shouldn't take too much advantage of that.

And finally, it is rather lame. I mean, on one side you have the variety and challenge that comes with having a team of normal pokemon, on the other side you have your super-powered elite horde. It's just... boring.

[Menarker]

On a personal level, I kinda agree with that all this power boost is too much too soon (for now). You hadn't even gotten Aria yet. I still think that eventually it's not that bad and we can let Pierce have his dream team. But at the moment? I think that Pierce getting Aria on top of Metagross is already a huge boost and getting those legendaries is getting just a tad bit far. Maybe one or the other within the next mission or two, but two Mewtwo powered pokemons in swift succession in addition to any other rewards seem a tad high.

On another level, I'm slightly biased since I already put myself on the self-restriction of using only the team that I got and one future pokemon to come. The team which already only consist of a legendary whose power level counts as semi-legendary, and everything else is below that, even though still quite powerful. Even when/if I get a pokemon whose power counts as legendary, I'm still within Geminex's proposed restriction.

RP wise? Aria's stalkerish lovestruck behavior aside, the other two legendaries probably should not be seeking attention from humans, nevermind be within urban areas where they can easily be sighted nevermind easily caught.

Also, I'm assuming we're stating that anything with 600ish base stat to be psuedo legendary? You mentioned pokemon whom are "smarter than the entire team combined" made me think of Alakazam who is admittably one of the most powerful special attack as well as super mental speed possible, but doesn't technically count as legendary or semi for that matter even if its stats are still quite high.

Powerful Pokemon are Powerful

[Dracorion]

Two, actually. Just Enmakki and Dialga. Pierce has three pseudo-legendaries, though.

In the games, manga and anime there's nothing to suggest controlling legendaries is any different from regular pokemon. I mean, in the games you can get as many legendaries as you want, people in the manga have controlled up to three, and I dunno about the anime.

I get what you're saying, but if the legendaries are that smart I can't imagine them going "Oh gee, these guys can actually help us put an end to the Ruin pokemon once and for all, let's not help them".

What can I say? I like having my team of supermonsters. It makes me feel warm inside.

But really, Pierce's dream team isn't all that perfect. Raw power aside, they don't have a lot of type variety, so a proper team could resist their attacks (I don't actually know what that team would be, but I'll have to for Pierce's sidequest). Resistance-wise, his best is Enmakki. All the rest have double weaknesses to Ground, and Tyranitar has a quad weakness to Fighting. Sure, there's a lot of resistances across the board, but again, double weakness to Ground.

I was going to go for Enmakki later, but the way I wanted to go with it made it so that it has to be introduced in a residential area, and this seems like the only chance we're going to get. It's either that, or introducing it in Mission 6, which is kind of a stretch and by then or soon after that Pierce should be getting Dialga instead.

Besides, nothing about Pokemon is supposed to make sense.

And Menarker, if to bypass your self-restriction all you gotta do is catch the pokemon you want during a mission after its trainer dies. Like Latios and Latias.

FYI? Pierce is bringing Aria this mission.

Besides, did you forget Phantomere? Our boys were falling left and right. I mean, Metagross exploded twice. And the rest of the Ruin Generals are only going to be tougher. Hell, if Phantomere had proper defenses we probably would've lost.

Enmakki's bad luck is going into Renny's parents' house while the team is there. Usually it's victims are utterly helpless. And I don't intend for it to be a cakewalk, Enmakki being a master of mindrape and all. Dialga will probably be in someone's pokeball.

Still, Enmakki's probably in for a depowerment. How does 640 sound?

[Menarker]

I think you might wanna wait until AB posts just in case he was all right with it in the first place. :3

And my self-restriction has nothing to do with inability but more so about the "power of friendship" and sticking with his main pokemons that he has chosen since before the first mission through thick and thin.
The only reasons why he would use another pokemon would be
A: Seperated from his pokemon.
B: Forced to only have a select number of pokemon and allowed a new one in the process (like with Latias)
C: Pokemon... dies. *Sob*

But yeah, (In an RPing sense) pokemons are living creatures which require their own upkeep and special care. Capturing them just to stick them in the pokemon computer bin isn't Renny's way!

And don't bring the bad luck of Enmakki into my mission! I only approved the capturing, not the mind-rape and overall bad feelings! I got something else planned for the night. Do that shit on your own mission or during AB's.

[Dracorion]

Originally Posted by Menarker

But yeah, (In an RPing sense) pokemons are living creatures which require their own upkeep and special care. Capturing them just to stick them in the pokemon computer bin isn't Renny's way!

Hey, Pierce isn't exactly a heartless bastard either. There's a reason he hasn't dumped Aria in the darkest recesses of PC storage even though her over-clingyness annoys him. He switches his team around, that's the reason why Aria and Metagross weren't on his team in the first place, but with the fate of the world at stake he's going to go for the team he thinks is best for the job. Tyranitar, Metagross, Nagarai, Blaziken, Enmakki and Dialga will raze through anything that isn't specialized to resist them, and Pierce can trust the rest of the team to pick up the slack on type variety.

Originally Posted by Menarker

And don't bring the bad luck of Enmakki into my mission! I only approved the capturing, not the mind-rape and overall bad feelings! I got something else planned for the night. Do that shit on your own mission or during AB's.

What the- you're the one who suggested introducing it during the sleepover in the first place! If you don't like that, we can go with my original suggestion and have Enmakki come in during the day to feast on the maids away from Faynoc's assault, until the team runs into it.

[Geminex]

Also, I'm assuming we're stating that anything with 600ish base stat to be psuedo legendary? You mentioned pokemon whom are "smarter than the entire team combined" made me think of Alakazam who is admittably one of the most powerful special attack as well as super mental speed possible, but doesn't technically count as legendary or semi for that matter even if its stats are still quite high.

Doesn't Mewtwo have exorbitant IQ as well? And I love Alakazam.

And fuck you Drac, PvP without legendaries. Or I'll have Impact pull Excalibur, and maybe a BFG from his private stash, and then we'll see who's laughing (It'll be me). Take Tyranitar, and even metagross, but leave it at two semi-legendaries.

I get what you're saying, but if the legendaries are that smart I can't imagine them going "Oh gee, these guys can actually help us put an end to the Ruin pokemon once and for all, let's not help them".

Oh, no, I'm not saying they shouldn't be helping us. But there's a difference between fighting on our side during the more intense battles and letting us utterly enslave them.
I mean, I'd be totally fine with it if, during the course of our adventure, we meet a few legendaries, ally with them, each of them selects a "champion", and that champion gets access to them - but only when we're fighting ruin generals. That'd give us their strength when we really need it, but it wouldn't make our characters overpowered, or even that extraordinary, since the only thing that'll be making the legendaries fight on our side would be that we're fighting a common enemy. Sure, we've caught a few legendaries already, but we can just assume that the ones already in our (and the Kimonos') posession are the more humanly-inclined, the ones who don't mind being used the way normal pokemon are. But I just can't imagine anyone sticking Mewtwo or Rayquaza or Dialga in a pokeball.

[Dracorion]

Originally Posted by Geminex

And fuck you Drac, PvP without legendaries. Or I'll have Impact pull Excalibur, and maybe a BFG from his private stash, and then we'll see who's laughing (It'll be me). Take Tyranitar, and even metagross, but leave it at two semi-legendaries.

If it's just PVP, sure.

Originally Posted by Geminex

Oh, no, I'm not saying they shouldn't be helping us. But there's a difference between fighting on our side during the more intense battles and letting us utterly enslave them.
I mean, I'd be totally fine with it if, during the course of our adventure, we meet a few legendaries, ally with them, each of them selects a "champion", and that champion gets access to them - but only when we're fighting ruin generals. That'd give us their strength when we really need it, but it wouldn't make our characters overpowered, or even that extraordinary, since the only thing that'll be making the legendaries fight on our side would be that we're fighting a common enemy. Sure, we've caught a few legendaries already, but we can just assume that the ones already in our (and the Kimonos') posession are the more humanly-inclined, the ones who don't mind being used the way normal pokemon are. But I just can't imagine anyone sticking Mewtwo or Rayquaza or Dialga in a pokeball.

My idea for Dialga was actually to have it disobey orders until Pierce managed to convince it to work with him for the greater good. Pierce is going to release Dialga as soon as the RP is over.

Enmakki, on the other hand, he's going to keep. There's no way he's going to let that murder machine run free. He'll either dump it in storage, or try to direct it's evil at other evils.

I'm fine with legendaries choosing "champions", but it'd be easier if they were with us for the whole ride, rather than just Ruin Generals.

Besides, I'm fairly certain Shizuka already has Arceus.

[Geminex]

The Kimonos are special. Besides, maybe whichever legendaries the Kimonos have died in battle and then were caught in the Netherworld.

And maybe Enmakki will escape by itself...

Edit: And was I too subtle when I stated that I'm considering whether to have Impact kill Rayleen, or do you all take that sort of thing for granted already?

[Dracorion]

Originally Posted by Geminex

The Kimonos are special. Besides, maybe whichever legendaries the Kimonos have died in battle and then were caught in the Netherworld.

Oh come on. They're "special"? That's your excuse?

If catching, let alone killing, a legendary was that easy, there wouldn't be any left. I'm pretty sure it'd take a large army of trainers or a large group of Ruin pokemon to kill a legendary. And in the case of Ruin-types, legendaries are smart enough to run the fuck away.

Originally Posted by Geminex

And maybe Enmakki will escape by itself...

I suppose it could, but with what I'm thinking for it I don't think it would want to.

Originally Posted by Geminex

And was I too subtle when I stated that I'm considering whether to have Impact kill Rayleen, or do you all take that sort of thing for granted already?

If Impact killed Rayleen, he'd be facing the same problem as killing Pierce: her pokemon.

Your best bet would be to kill Rayleen or Pierce in such a way that you leave no evidence and that even pokemon senses can't detect you.

Like a sniper shot from half the city away.

[Menarker]

Originally Posted by Dracorion

What the- you're the one who suggested introducing it during the sleepover in the first place! If you don't like that, we can go with my original suggestion and have Enmakki come in during the day to feast on the maids away from Faynoc's assault, until the team runs into it.

Technically, you suggested both idea, and I "compromised" by having it do its dream messing stuff on Snorlax. But your intent seems to be to cause absolute nightmare and mayhem which frankly I'm not going to have in this side-story. :3 (And you'll thank me for it.) So just keep Mr. HorrorStory on the drawing board until another sidestory or part of the main story.

As much as the championing legend thing sounds awesome, I hope it won't force Renny to replace one of his pokemons on his belt for it.