There and Back Again: A Hobbit's Thread

[MFD]

Yes because agreeing with one thing an asshole said one time makes me an asshole.

I'm just saying it's silly. Maybe if someone had said they hadn't read the book, but nobody has said that. After fifty years, in a thread about an adaptation of the book, fans of the book are discussing the book. And they're using spoilers?

Just seems strange. I wasnt going to speak up, but I decided to respond to Archbio.

Age probably has less to do with it than the fact that we've all read The Hobbit.

[IHateMakingNames]

I had forgotten most of the details. Reading that dwarves died surprised me, but them again I also forgot that the book ended with a war.

[Kim]

Originally Posted by MFD

Yes because agreeing with one thing an asshole said one time makes me an asshole.

Seeing as Fifth was directly responding to someone, who isn't you, who was making a Big Fucking Deal over the fact that some people were being considerate, maybe jumping on the, "How dare you call me an asshole!" horse is a bit unnecessary. Especially when Fifth didn't even directly call the person making a Big Fucking Deal over people being considerate an asshole.

EDIT: Fifth wasn't even complaining that not everyone was spoiler-tagging spoilers for the Hobbit. He was responding specifically to someone making a big deal out of the fact that someone WAS spoiler-tagging.

[Fifthfiend]

Haha wow I hadn't even seen that MFD had directly cited that comic.

But yeah when people are making a new adaptation of something that's probably gonna tend to draw the interest of a lot of people who haven't read/seen the original and I really don't see the harm in allowing that maybe those people don't want to be told all about the ins and outs of this story before they've had the chance to enjoy it.

If this were just a "hey fellow people who've read the book 'the hobbit' let's talk about the hobbit, the book, by JRR Tolkien, irrespective of any movie anyone might be making about it or whatever" then that'd be different.

Maybe I wouldn't have thought to spoiler stuff from the book had I been posting in here and talking about the story and maybe that wouldn't have made me history's greatest monster but I don't really see a lot of point to getting on the nuts of people who did happen to think of that and then thoughtfully spoilered their posts, and then teaching those people a lesson or whatever by allcaps-italics-shouting said spoilers at anyone who hasn't happened to read it.

[The Artist Formerly Known as Hawk]

Yeah Fifth makes a good point; how many of us here had even read LotRs before the first film was released? I know I hadn't, that or the Hobbit. When something like this comes along and suddenly a lot of people get interested in it who've never heard of it or been interested in it before, then they're not gona want it spoiled for them are they?

Beside which why are you complaining about spoiler tags being used anyway? Is it really so difficult/annoying to just click them to reveal what we're saying? They're hardly an inconvenience.

Originally Posted by RickZarber

They are the youngest, but I don't believe there is any mention anywhere in the book of them not having full beards.

Yeah I can't remember if there was mention of it in the book either, but it at least makes sense, so I'm happy to go along with it. It's hardly a massive detail anyway. Like, I'm not gona lose sleep over a couple of characters in an ensemble piece of fiction who don't look exactly like they're supposed to.

[Magus]

Originally Posted by Archbio

What does the age of the thing have to do with it?

If you spoil The Mousetrap for people in 2190, the ghost of Agatha Christie will still kill your ass (with arsenic.)

I think it's fortunate that said twist was put to much better use in a slew of other movies I won't also spoil, since even if The Mousetrap is spoiled you probably wouldn't expect it in some other movie. Like it is fortunate that as a plot device it was easily reusable in other things just in case somebody was all like "HEY YO HERE'S THE PLOT TWIST TO THE MOUSETRAP, JERKASAURS! YOU SHOULDA WATCHED THAT PLAY YEARS AGO!"

Some things you can spoil I guess, I just don't go out of my way to spoil them.

Unless it is to save someone a shitload of time they could have not wasted on something else.

Like Adam Sandler's Click? It was all a fucking dream. There. You don't have to waste your time on that movie if you were even thinking of it.

The Happening? It's the plants. The plants are killing everybody with pollen that makes them go crazy. It's really stupid. Mark Wahlberg is scared of a houseplant at one point. Don't watch it.

Actually people should just go ahead and do that for all the M. Night Shyamalayn movies except I dunno, Unbreakable? I"d say The Sixth Sense has been pretty solidly spoiled for everyone involved.

But all in all nothing in The Hobbit is particularly "twisty" anyway, so if people were to spoil it offhandedly I guess it's no big deal. I just wouldn't go out of my way to spoil it.

ANYWAY, back to the Hobbit:

Is there going to be any clear delineation between goblins and orcs this time? Because even in LOTR this was hard as hell to figure out and I'm still not sure they bothered (like Gandalf says the Uruk Hai are the product of "orcs and goblin men", but again at no point is it pointed out what the hell is a goblin and what is an orc, anything that's not an Uruk Hai looks like orcs to me), and from what I can tell Tolkein basically said that goblins/orcs are the same thing, he just used the term goblin in The Hobbit.

[The Artist Formerly Known as Hawk]

Goblins and orcs are the same thing. Uruk Hai are orcs crossed with men.

[MFD]

Originally Posted by Liz

Seeing as Fifth was directly responding to someone, who isn't you, who was making a Big Fucking Deal over the fact that some people were being considerate, maybe jumping on the, "How dare you call me an asshole!" horse is a bit unnecessary. Especially when Fifth didn't even directly call the person making a Big Fucking Deal over people being considerate an asshole.

Sorry. My post just paraphrased Penny Arcade, so I saw a connection. Apparently Fifth didn't see my post.

Fleeing in shame now.

[Locke cole]

And the first Orcs were Elves that were horribly twisted by magic.

Wait, or was it that they were creatures born of magic made in mockery of the elves' shape?

I'm thinking the latter, since they then compared Trolls to Ents in the same way.

[The Artist Formerly Known as Hawk]

Nah you were right the first time. Morgoth twisted elves into orcs and ents into trolls. Morgoth didn't really make anything, just poured his evil into everything else, except for dragons which I think he may have actually created outright, because they came slightly later than most other stuff.