GamerGate? Da fuq is a GamerGate?

[Grandmaster_Skweeb]

Originally Posted by Marc v4.0

I don't think I need to remind you that Channers also think black people, trans people, gay men and women, and anyone that isn't a channer in general is worse than them.

Well gosh, I didn't realize I was a racist transphobic woman hating dudebro of the fifth order of redpill. please, tell me more about myself that I didn't realize until your sterling and razor sharp observational skills can point out. Different boards exist, Marc. Let's keep the broad paintbrush of absurdity out of here. The guilt by association mindset is, frankly, stupid. You're smarter than that, act like it.

This right here basically explains the difference in our reactions: You believe the fact that Zoey Quinn sparked GamerGate is mere coincidence, whereas I think the evidence pretty clearly establishes it wasn't coincidental at all.

Right. Because Eron got together with a bunch of random folk and said, "hey, let's stir up a shitstorm. It'll be a toats awesome party, bruh." But on a more serious note, do I agree with what he did? Nope. Shit should've stayed behind closed doors. Nonetheless, I'll objectively look at it as a galvanizing moment. A stupid moment? Sure. But it is what it is, and to discount what is now with what started it all is a tad silly.

Edit: I'm going to pull out of the conversation for the time being due to being called in at work unexpectedly on my day off. Carry on, folks.

[Solid Snake]

Logical Fallacy Number Ten Trillion in this Thread:

Just because something isn't coincidental does not mean it's necessarily intentional.

(16:14:09) Solid_Snake: So, just to clarify for y'all
(16:14:45) Solid_Snake: To argue something isn't coincidental is to say that there is a definitive traceable causal connection between the initial event and the subsequent reaction
(16:15:07) Solid_Snake: That does not however mean that the causal connection or the subsequent reaction were intended by any acting party

[Marc v4.0]

Originally Posted by Grandmaster_Skweeb

please, tell me more about myself that I didn't realize

Ok, that is easy. You missed these posts:

Originally Posted by Solid Snake

*sigh*
I wish I was a bit better at remembering the names of logical fallacies, because I'm pretty sure your personal, anecdotal experience enjoying 4Chan and being a decent person on 4Chan is in no way relevant to ascertaining 4Chan's general reputation.

It's directly akin to me saying, "I'm a man and I'm a nice guy who wouldn't dare hurt a woman, therefore women must be crazy when they attack men in general!" No, that's just not the way it works. When people here are attacking 4Chan, they're not attacking you or your personal experiences on 4Chan or whatever the fuck you may enjoy about it, they're attacking 4Chan as a whole, which has a well-deserved reputation that has nothing to do with saving endangered sea turtles one time or chatting about the Vita.

Originally Posted by shiney

I think we can agree for the purpose of this discussion that the moniker 'channers' refers to the people who do the horrible stuff and not the people who avoid it. 4chan isn't known as a home for thoughtful discourse. It's known as the acne-riddled grundle of the internet. Despite that there are genuine people who go there for other reasons, we aren't talking about those people and by extension, aren't talking about you.

Originally Posted by Marc v4.0

You self-identify as a channer, inundate yourself in that culture, way of thinking, wear it as a badge of pride and honer in your social circles, then participate in their raids and trolling excursions?

No?

Then I wasn't talking about you, was I?

If you are going to get hyper-defensive about someone straight up telling the ugly truth about how garbage a website is, I would highly suggest you don't associate with that website

"You're smarter than that, act like it" right back atcha

[Doc ock rokc]

Here is a good video I think covers misogynistic GG argument rather well from a perspective you would probobly agree with

[Ryong]

Originally Posted by Marc v4.0

If you are going to get hyper-defensive about someone straight up telling the ugly truth about how garbage a website is, I would highly suggest you don't associate with that website

All I ask is that you don't generalize. I get enough flak for being Brazilian already.

[RobinStarwing]

Originally Posted by Red Mage Black

Feminism is cherry picking the worst of GG.

GG is cherry picking the worst of the whole thing.

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I'm bolding this and will touch on it later.

Originally Posted by pochercoaster

My advice is don't send rape and death threats.

Zoe Quinn, Sarkeesian etc. did report their death and rape threats to the police. What does that have to do with anything? What does the victim's response in this situation have anything to do with anything?

Who cares if it's a minority of people who sent them threats? Why aren't you outraged that women are being unjustly subjected to threats of violence?

This is the natural consequence of gaming and tech industries being dominated by men. At best, women and minorities in these industries are subjected to chronic low-grade sexism and discrimination, and at worst, women are continually sent threats of violence so severe that they are forced out of their home. This is not cherry-picking- this what people who are discriminated against live with every day in our current society. It's so pervasive that apparently some people need this explained to them instead of seeing it clearly for what it is- the death rattles of privileged white mens' dominance in a domain that used to be exclusively their's. WELCOME TO THE 21ST CENTURY.

I would like to see more women involved in the higher tiers of Game Development and Production to be honest.

Originally Posted by shiney

You have a friend and supporter in me, poch, I just want to be clear that I would prefer arguments and discussions remain civil because that's really the only way viewpoints can evolve and people can learn. As it stands, absent a few notable (and, viewed through historical perspective, relatively benign) exceptions I like this thread and I think the message that underlies everything, "Hey guess what women are actual human beings and simply put this conduct is unacceptable full stop no justification" is one that really needs to be widespread.

Shame that there is a huge contingent of people involved that are deliberately trying to muddy those waters by turning people against one another, and worse off, that they are doing it for their own amusement.

Thank you Shiney and I salute your post.

Now to my thoughts on this.

I saw this develop early on myself during the time NPF was down and was worried if we would ever discuss this issue. We are an things have been said. To be honest...I support the discussion on Cronyism and Corruption in the Video Game Industry ACROSS THE F-ING BOARD. Indie Dev or AAA Dev, Small-time Web blog or big Gaming Journalism Site...does not matter. You SHOULD be held to a freaking higher ethical standard. If you won't do it yourself...maybe your Consumer Base should for you.

Now let me be clear, I do identify as a Gamer. I am NOT some Misogynistic ass as one of my best friends is a Girl who games and I want to see more women in gaming. Especially if the male morons in the industry are going to be hypocrites and tell Gamers they are "Racist, Sexist idiot Terrorists that know nothing" while joking about sleeping with PR reps and having sex with women in their offices and other garbage. So yes, if you are going to call me on my hypocrisy for enjoying the Dead Or Alive games (5 is awesome by the way. I WANT Nyontengu cause she looks gorgeous) and taking pleasure in fan service from time to time...then I get to call them out for their garbage.


On the same thought...the rather loud group of a-holes in the GamerGate and NotYourShield communities need to shut up and stop stirring the pot with their inability to cope with the times. Women should have more presence in video games at ALL LEVELS.

That said, the SJW community needs to rein in it's Trolls and Flamers too as they are not helping matters by telling people the stuff they are. They remind me too much of a guy from a Becker episode that overheard a conversation and made Ted Danson's character sound racist...all because of pronouns and the situation. I tend to think these Trolls and Flamers and what not are actually covering for their own inability to see past Race and Gender Issues.

Just my two cents on this matter.

[synkr0nized]

Originally Posted by RobinStarwing

Just my two cents on this matter and why am I not touching Kim's responses? Very simple, not wanting to encourage or get into it with her. If you been around this forum a while...you know why.

holy fuck


How is it difficult to learn how to not directly troll each other?

And this is just the latest example.

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please, NPF, go out for Friday night and stop posting

[Solid Snake]

Originally Posted by RobinStarwing

Just my two cents on this matter and why am I not touching Kim's responses? Very simple, not wanting to encourage or get into it with her. If you been around this forum a while...you know why.

Oh my fucking God.
Fuck this.

Fuck this passive-aggressive hating on Kim for no apparent discernible reason whatsoever when all she's done here in this thread is make the same exact kinds of arguments Marc and I are making.

If you're going to add this distinctively idiotic level of bullshit as a postscript to your argument then I'm absolutely going to call it out every time as unnecessary as best and downright insulting -- to Kim and anyone who considers her a friend.

EDIT: Aww, Ninja'ed by Synk!

[Marc v4.0]

Originally Posted by Ryong

All I ask is that you don't generalize. I get enough flak for being Brazilian already.

Originally Posted by shiney

I think we can agree for the purpose of this discussion that the moniker 'channers' refers to the people who do the horrible stuff and not the people who avoid it. 4chan isn't known as a home for thoughtful discourse. It's known as the acne-riddled grundle of the internet. Despite that there are genuine people who go there for other reasons, we aren't talking about those people and by extension, aren't talking about you.

I am not calling you a horrible person for going to 4chan, I am calling horrible people who populate the majority 4chan and perpetuate its hate mongering horrible people.

How much more do we have to be stuck on this little derail?

edit: Jesus Fucking Christ, Robin

[RobinStarwing]

Originally Posted by Solid Snake

Oh my fucking God.
Fuck this.

Fuck this passive-aggressive hating on Kim for no apparent discernible reason whatsoever when all she's done here in this thread is make the same exact kinds of arguments Marc and I are making.

If you're going to add this distinctively idiotic level of bullshit as a postscript to your argument then I'm absolutely going to call it out every time as unnecessary as best and downright insulting -- to Kim and anyone who considers her a friend.

I think you misunderstand. I don't hate or dislike Kim. She's awesome most of the time. I'm avoiding her posts for the sake of both of us as we tend to get very heated towards each other over our viewpoints.

And that will be my only response to what you said. Any further attempts to get a response from me will not work as I will not respond further.