471: And then I died

[mepersoner]

Kary could've been narrating, BB could've gotten passed the point where he requires the chucks to fight and flung them aside.

[Chief Justice Ninja]

Now that's just wishful thinking. Otherwise, why would WM be looking so glum and saying "Black-belt?" as though something terrible just happened to him.

[Joseph Pandora]

Originally Posted by mepersoner

Kary could've been narrating, BB could've gotten passed the point where he requires the chucks to fight and flung them aside.

Possible but infinately unlikely.

The "mystery episode" is easy to figure out. BM says "One day I'll look back on this and laugh... I'll still kill them all but it'll be funny" or whatever he says (too lazy too look up the exact words). But that's exactly what the episode's about. You'll notice the last box before that says, "Heh, that was pretty funny", indicating him laughing about it. It's BM in the future, talking to WM (the only one of the group who were there who talks the way that the person in the pink box did), at the end of the mission, whatever and whenever that may be. (Some of this was said here too but I'd figured it out already, but this is my first post lol)

Unrelated, I think the theory about BM becoming chaos sounds very possible. And if BB really did die (phoenix down or life would still have to be accounted for) and BM became Chaos, then that would mean the new light warriors are RM, Thief, Fighter, and White Mage... those 4 fighting BM at the end.

If BB really died though, pity, he's the least known of the bunch (though this also makes his death the easiest to accept)-- coulda used some character development there. And some more foreshadowing for what was going to happen, so it doesn't just seem random. Just my opinion.

Incidentally, if everyone had an element like they do in Chrono Cross, I'd associate BB with Earth, Thief with Air, Fighter with Fire, and RM with Water (BM and WM's are obvious). The Fire vs Water thing is why Fighter is kicking so much ass there (he's in his own element, Fire-- when they entered he read the runes easily, and killed a monster during someone else's conversation effortlessly, and he's also the one who got the fire armor and can walk across the lava); and why RM got his ass kicked on multiple occasions in this place but he also defeated the fire dragon (water/ice vs fire). It's either going to be Fighter who kills Kary, or RM. Fighter because he's in his element, or RM because he's very much not. I'm guessing Fighter because RM dispatched the dragon.

[Mike McC]

Just a few things.

Observation: Brian never does the expected, unless the expected is unexpected in and of itself.

Speculation: Comic 434's content isn't important to the battle with Kary right now. And I think it will be quite a while before it's true meaning is apparent. The fact that there is so much division over what it means is proof of that.

As to why Comic #434 isn't important right now, look to the 'bloodstained' panel. They way they are tralking about Gurgu Volcano shows it had happened quite a while in the past.... they wouldn't be talking like that now in the fight with Kary, as it happened around a day ago.

[Bells]

I cant belive that only one of yopu guys really give the credit to the BB Being 4th DW idea... it really makes sense!! it could be happening (althought i stil thhink that i can be Ranger....)

As for the time being... WM will do something.. but she wont gho bersekr,,, simply because that was done already... as prior stated here they wont use Phoenix down, because really, when did you guys see any of then buying ANY thing?
MAYBE WM could use a Life Spell, but is unlikly... either way, some big change is coming to her, and i belive that WM and BB will be living the scne for a while... ( Redenption? maybe WM went to give BB a decent funeral, and they come back later on, both alive )

[shiney]

BB won't be the 4th DW, of that I am certain.

And BM is the yellow text, as Brian made moderately clear, in saying "Look at such and such episode where BM has the exact same text. Gee. :B"

He may be ridiculously secretive and make obscure references, but when he gets fairly direct he doesn't tend to purposefully mislead people.

The only bit left unsaid is who the red text is. Believe me, I wouldn't spread random crap around unless it were to benefit me in some way. Mwaha.

I think it's pretty well established that WM is the Red Speaker. For one, she's the only one intelligent enough to speak to BM that way, and she's the only one BM respects enough to speak two panels with without mentioning a stabbity death. Some mentioned Fighter somehow gaining enough of a brain to speak like the Red Speaker, but that doesn't mean much. Fighter respects BM, the Red Speaker does not. Two, the text hasn't anything to do with it, so that can't be a factor (I wasn't aware BM's text was yellow during the Hell King stint, but that doesn't change the fact that WM could still become an ultimate good and change her text.) as some have suggested.

I think one big question besides who the speakers are is what exactly is taking place/about to take place when the two are speaking. I'm gonna say it's dialogue before the final or some major fight. After all, it's WM talking to BM for one. That almost always assures some violence.

[shiney]

If you think about it though, if it's far into the future, who's to say fighter hasn't come to terms with his own naiveté, understood what Vargas and Dr. Swordopolis were trying to tell him so long ago, and realised how BM is? Maybe they've both come to terms with it and drudged out a mutual respect for each other.

There's no guarantee in any way whatsoever of who the red speaker is. All we have is how people act now, only having just gotten to the second fiend. And even now they are very different from how they were in the very beginning. WM is slowly losing her competence and sanity it seems. Fighter is still dumb but he's having more flashes of competence and insight. RM is a bungling idiot who sometimes has workable plans. Thief isn't obsessed constantly with thievery. Even BM doesn't take every opportunity to stab something or to talk about stabbing something. Given the chance for a single gag Brian would no doubt revive every aspect of those characters in a heartbeat, but the fact is they are developing beyond the one-dimensional constructs they used to be. They are becoming real characters.

So there's no guarantee of if the red speaker is fighter, RM, WM, or even thief - I mean there's a class change coming right? If BM (blue text now) became yellow, then anyone could be red.

[Wetflame]

I agree with Shiney - there has been some real character development.

And after rereading the panel, yes it is very obvious that the orange/yellow text box is Black Mage.
Red Box is probably either White Mage; or Black Belt, because they're the ones that opened the door on him, and ignored him. I'd nearly swing towrds Black Belt, as the panels *do* foreshadow BB's death.
It's possible it's Fighter, but I'm not so sure.
And if WM finally realised it, then she would probably appear a lot more competent.

"Don't you hate yourself for it? For never having seen it coming until now?"
"Every little thing is so painfully obvious now, isn't it? Now that it's too late, you have all the answers don't you?"

Hmm, what could he be talking about...

Also, further effort to support my theory.

If BB dies, and BM becomes Chaos, who would be left? Red Mage, Fighter, Thief and White Mage.

Who are the "real" Light Warriors?

Red Wizard, Knight, Ninja and White Wizard.

I always *Wondered* why he chose those 4, and had White Wizard instead of Black Wizard.

Either that, or Black Mage ebcomes White Wizard XD That'd be pretty funny.

Maybe the "Real" Light Warriors are the current ones sent back in time, trying to fix what "went wrong" and not doing a hugely good job of it...