My Rise and Fall: How I succumbed to MAGICAL FRIENDSHIP

[Fenris]

Originally Posted by rpgdemon

But it's kind of true. Bob jumps in and says, "Man, I hate that this thing makes MLP fans look like a bunch of autistic people". The only thing in the article that could be construed as negative was sort of saying how MLP fans seem weird to other people, so it is a pretty fair link to draw is that Bob was saying that autistic people are weird, without knowing about the fact that he was referencing someone else.

That's the opposite of true.

Originally Posted by NonCon

Except Bob didn't say, "This article called us autistic." Bob said, "I heard an article made us look autistic." The article linked in response, supposedly to fill a gap about what article was "making us look autistic" did in no way reference autism in any way. In other words, from Snake's perspective, and my own as well before this point, it seemed Bob had heard about the article you linked and either thought or heard that it was "making us look autistic." While Snake was incorrect in where to direct his anger, it was based on the information he had at the moment which did not appear to be lacking any key points. Snake lashed out for the right reasons, but based on further information it seems it was the wrong person he lashed out against.

And then he said:

Originally Posted by Bob

That...wasn't so bad. :/

As in, "why are people saying this makes us look autistic?"

At least that's my take on it. What this doesn't change is the fact that Snake has a tendency to shoot first and ask questions later. He's very reactionary and it's a thing he needs to work on. I mean I could diagnose all sorts of shit that I learned about in my Dynamics of Human Development class (I mean hell, I diagnosed myself with several different dispositions and disorders until I realized that was why I went to doctors when I was a kid) but really that would just be making excuses.

Snake has a habit that he needs to work on. That's really all I'm getting at here.

[Fenris]

Originally Posted by Solid Snake

I didn't turn this into a personal attack on me; I turned it into an attack on modern society's stigmatization of autism, a disorder I don't even technically really have.

I apologize for being offended at something you'd prefer me not to find offensive Fenris and I'm sure if I knew the full context I probably wouldn't have been offended, but I don't feel the slightest bit bad about being offended based on what I did read in what was posted here.
Also this is kind of what I meant earlier way back when I defended NonCon over the 'past issues' thing, like how every time I'm offended now it's automatically because I'm playing the role of the victim just because that's my "reputation."

"I'm high-functioning Asperger's and was diagnosed as Aspie until I was about 14, at which point I was re-categorized as generic "ASD" something because I was no longer Asperger's but not quite normal either, in some endless void between the possibilities.

And I hated myself for some time due to this association."

That completely, 100% comes across as taking it personally.

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Okay but seriously, do we really need bad feelings in the goddamn pony thread?

[Solid Snake]

Originally Posted by Fenris

Snake has a habit that he needs to work on. That's really all I'm getting at here.

This is pretty much exactly what pisses me off so much, because it contextually seems to suggest that any time I express I'm offended by anything the automatic assumption is because I'm playing the victim and because that is happening, I am automatically "wrong" and the person I am arguing against is automatically "right."

Like let me just be clear on this much, nothing I wrote was intended to make Rob feel like a terrible person. He's the only NPFer I've met here in person, I really enjoyed meeting him, and I think he's just about the nicest guy I've ever met. Subsequently I know he, at the very least, wasn't deliberately trying to say that "Rob hates autistic people." That isn't him.

But the fact that I know Rob is incredible doesn't mean he can't fall into the trap of occasionally buying into society's stigmatization of autism and its marginalization of autistic people because they are "anti-social" and therefore "unlikable" and "weird" and associations with them should be "avoided" and to call someone "autistic" is an insult.

If it appears he falls into that, yes, I will call him out on it precisely because I respect him enough to want to believe that's not what he meant.

[Fenris]

Originally Posted by Solid Snake

This is pretty much exactly what pisses me off so much, because it contextually seems to suggest that any time I express I'm offended by anything the automatic assumption is because I'm playing the victim and because that is happening, I am automatically "wrong" and the person I am arguing against is automatically "right."

Originally Posted by Fenris

That's the opposite of true.

^

It's not when you're offended by anything, it's when you take what offends you as a personal attack, whether you mean to or not.

I am saying this to you as a moderator and as a friend. You really need to work on this. It's become a habit, and I would be doing myself and you a disservice if I were to sit by as you continued to react to things in this manner.

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Okay but seriously, do we really need bad feelings in the goddamn pony thread?

[rpgdemon]

Originally Posted by Fenris

I am saying this to you as a moderator and as a friend. You really need to work on this. It's become a habit, and I would be doing myself and you a disservice if I were to sit by as you continued to react to things in this manner.

Here's the thing though: You're going into it looking for this thing as a flaw, it seems like, just the same as you perceive Snake looking for personal insult.

Like, "perceiving personal insult" is to Snake, as "perceiving Snake perceiving personal insult" is to you. You can cool off it as well, since you're trigger happy as well about calling out Snake as being personally insulted. Shooting first and asking questions later, as you put it.

[Fenris]

Originally Posted by rpgdemon

Here's the thing though: You're going into it looking for this thing as a flaw, it seems like, just the same as you perceive Snake looking for personal insult.

Like, "perceiving personal insult" is to Snake, as "perceiving Snake perceiving personal insult" is to you. You can cool off it as well, since you're trigger happy as well about calling out Snake as being personally insulted. Shooting first and asking questions later, as you put it.

[Solid Snake]

Originally Posted by Fenris

I am saying this to you as a moderator and as a friend. You really need to work on this. It's become a habit, and I would be doing myself and you a disservice if I were to sit by as you continued to react to things in this manner.

It certainly doesn't feel like advice from a 'friend.'
(That and even presuming your arguments were correct, I'm not sure how actually attacking me ad hominem is supposed to solve the presumed "habit" of me taking interpreting things too often as ad hominem.)

For the most part, you could say that I like hang out at NPF precisely because it's cool to try to come here and escape from the issues and the criticisms and the daily deluge of problems found in the 'real world.'
So it's just somewhat aggravating from my perspective that everything comes back to the realm of my personal life -- attacks on it, defenses of it, etc. -- because I'd like to be less like "Snake," with a pre-established persona that everyone has opinions of, and more like "Fenris," a guy I honestly can't even criticize due to a complete lack of knowledge of his IRL persona.

...And I know I've basically put myself in a poor position where a lot of stuff about me is pretty well known, but it's weird how I can't seem to argue anything in any context without being told that it's just a byproduct of 'my issues' or 'who I am' or that it's 'Snake being Snake.' It'd be cool if I felt more accepted and less like, y'know, a goddamn nuisance you all barely tolerate. I've never made an uninvited comment about your personal life or attempted to defeat an argument of yours on an unrelated subject by referencing a 'personal issue,' and I don't see what's wrong with wanting to avoid that.

But we should probably take this to PM or something. Or not.

Anyway, PONIES: Here is an awesome song about Steven Magnet.

[Fenris]

Originally Posted by Solid Snake

~snip~

Here, I wrote a 5 page essay on how to properly write Pony Fanfiction.

Feel free to check it out.

It has a little bit about who I am in there as well. I thought it was pretty apparent who I am on the forum, tbh. My homepage listed in my profile is even a page that has my real name attached!

[rpgdemon]

Originally Posted by Fenris

[Solid Snake]

Originally Posted by Fenris

Here, I wrote a 5 page essay on how to properly write Pony Fanfiction.

Feel free to check it out.

It has a little bit about who I am in there as well. I thought it was pretty apparent who I am on the forum, tbh. My homepage listed in my profile is even a page that has my real name attached!

...You actually wrote that?
I'm not saying that out of anything but respect in a sense, because I actually read that a while back without even knowing it was apparently by you.

EDIT: My mistake, I got my "Open Letters to Bronies" confused.