Superhero Mafia

[Mesden]

Originally Posted by Sheb

Also, is anyone else getting a wierd kinda feeling that Mesden and Doppler are just trying to tip the vote to get an easy townie kill? For that reason, FOS:Mesden and Doppler12

You know, I've been fighting the elimination idea from the beginning, and I've been one of the most hesitant to vote people all game.

I'm only going along with it right now because there's little to no other way to convince them of anything, short of Nayno's idea to 'let them roleclaim'. Which is totally nonsensical. If the mafia doesn't kill them, we lynch them the next day? The mafia can just keep hitting confirmed Townies, while we vote off the person that roleclaimed the day prior.

Nayno's idea doesn't make sense and is bridled with misinformation that *will* help the mafia, I promise you.

Doppler, I can't speak for, but honestly, he's no different than anyone else prior who voted for Redfighter, so pinpointing him seems silly at best.

[Nayno]

Really, it's more of a "anyone but Red Fighter". And the roleclaiming thing doesn't work if the mafia is smart and knows we're doing it. Obviously we'd lynch them if their roleclaim wasn't believable... and then you've got your counterclaims. It's a lot more complicated than I make it sound, anyway. But generally, letting people roleclaim is a good thing. Especially if they're a cop, because then they can reveal their investigation results, and if they turn up as a cop on death, then you can use their information. And if they turn up scum, then we know they're lying anyway.

You know, playing town is a lot harder than playing scum, I've noticed.

[Mesden]

Originally Posted by Nayno

Really, it's more of a "anyone but Red Fighter". And the roleclaiming thing doesn't work if the mafia is smart and knows we're doing it. Obviously we'd lynch them if their roleclaim wasn't believable... and then you've got your counterclaims. It's a lot more complicated than I make it sound, anyway. But generally, letting people roleclaim is a good thing. Especially if they're a cop, because then they can reveal their investigation results, and if they turn up as a cop on death, then you can use their information. And if they turn up scum, then we know they're lying anyway.

If you assume the Mafia know what they're doing, then no, not at all. It can either be mildly beneficial or a moderate waste of time. The bad outweighs the positive, which is why I'm not going to fall ploy to a roleclaim feint.

You know, playing town is a lot harder than playing scum, I've noticed.

You know, in this game? No way. Like, half of the town is GM confirmed and can group up. That's the biggest handicap I've seen in a while. ESPECIALLY when you throw in Doctor strange setting them back for the longest time.

[Sheb]

Nayno is right, this is a "anyone but Red Fighter" and not a "don't vote for just nonconfirmed townies" thing mostly because he said he'd be away for this entire week. It makes no sense to try and draw out scum that is not around to say a thing. We learn nothing by killing him if he ends up town, and we let the mafia get some free kills in on some confirmed townies which makes our majority advantage dwindle even more.

I believe Stomphoof was mentioned as being inactive, and he didn't leave an excuse for it (correct me if I'm wrong. Happens all the time) so I propose we lynch him before Red if only for the fact that Red'll be back Friday to say something in his own defense while we don't know if Stompy's just lurking and will defend himself if we start voting him.

[Nayno]

I don't see how the bad outweighs the good.

GOOD roleclaim situations:
1. A townie claims and we believe them. Instead of lynching them, we use our lynch on someone else. The townie has a chance to prove his claim or reveal vital information.
2. A scum claims and we don't believe them. We lynch them anyway and they die.

BAD roleclaim situations.
1. A townie claims and we don't believe him and lynch him. Oh well, we were gonna lynch him anyway. Plus! He might have revealed good info.
2. A scum claims and we believe him. Most of the time, the claim falls apart before he can become a danger. Worst case scenario, the scum has a secret role that appears to confirm him, in which case they probably should have claimed much earlier anyway.

EDIT P.S. Yeah, the town has a pretty big head start in this game. What I mean was that it's more difficult to lead scum on than it is to lead townies on.

[Mesden]

You said yourself that if the townie claims and we believe him, and if he didn't die during night to mafia, we would lynch him.

That's a bad outcome that gives the Mafia 2 clear days. And, honestly, the course you're suggesting suggests my conclusion. It's bad, trust me.

I've been Mafia too many times to not recognize a scapegoat when given one.

Edit for PS: Well yeah...since Scum know who townies are and townies don't know who scum are.

You can't really trick them because they know what's what. The only way they DON'T know what's going on is with a ton of roles or if there's a cult.

[Nayno]

It's more a matter of the role losing believability than a planned action. The mafia would be inclined to remove power roles at first opportunity, but there are a number of ways for a cop, vig, or even a doctor to verify their claim in one night. It's just highly unlikely that a power role would survive after a claim, without a doc.

But let's consider that specific scenario. A player* claims a power role, and we have the option of lynching or not lynching:

Option 1: Lynch claimed role. Scum kills townie. Town lynches someone else.

Option 2a: Lynch someone else. Scum kills claimed role. Town lynches someone else.

Option 2b: Lynch someone else. Scum kills townie. Town lynches claimed role.

Option two is better than or equal to option one regardless of whether the claim is true, unless we're in a lynch-or-lose situation.

Of course, by the time we reach the next day, we might want to revise our strategy depending on information we received during the night. This gives the scum a very small opportunity to wriggle their way out, since the information is more likely to be true and in the town's favor. Additionally, it gives the scum an element of uncertainty.

*EDIT: Was "townie", but that implied being town-aligned, so I changed it to "player".

[Nikose Tyris]

Well that's ten anyway =D So Red Fighter, THE RED RANGER, is Dead.

It'S NIGHT, GOGOGO.

[Demetrius]

Doesn't matter either way, we have 10 votes on Red Fighter.

Nayno the whole idea is to eliminate folks out, we have 2-3 people on our side who can make night actions. If we lynch one person, they take out 3 other ones, then we are left with only 2 choices, if none of them comes up scum then we have a problem. We know RF isn't Ghost Rider, he's been inactive too long, he may be Superman, but so could anyone else who is lurking, which is just about everyone on the "list".

Night should go down with Ghosty confirming Roy, Mesden going after Doppler and whoever the last Vig is going after stomphoof. Superman should guard himself, if he can.

Anyway...10 VOTES FOR RF, NIKOSE DO YOUR THING!!

EDIT: NINJA'd Gah!

[Nikose Tyris]

Originally Posted by Demetrius

, NIKOSE DO YOUR THING!!

...*Pelvic Thrusts*