Pok?mon Umbral Discussion 10: PvPing Inside and Outside the RP

[Geminex]

Well, Shaymin seems fairly friendly, and his personality matches Renny's. I don't think it's too illogical to assume that they're friends.

Oh come on. They're "special"? That's your excuse?

If catching, let alone killing, a legendary was that easy, there wouldn't be any left. I'm pretty sure it'd take a large army of trainers or a large group of Ruin pokemon to kill a legendary. And in the case of Ruin-types, legendaries are smart enough to run the fuck away.

In the first battle between legendaries and the Ruin generals, quite a few Ruin Generals sacrificed themselves, yes? What's to say that some legendaries couldn't have died as well? Big battle, legendaries die, wander through Netherworld. Kimonos find them, manage to befriend/catch them, promise to release them once the Ruin threat has been defeated. It's more logical by far than assuming that Pierce can control the being that has power over all of creation.

If Impact killed Rayleen, he'd be facing the same problem as killing Pierce: her pokemon.

I'm hoping that by the end of the story, she'll have given her pokemon to Rachel.

[Menarker]

Well, what I meant was that once Renny has his 6 pokemon (Togekiss, Shaymin, Swampert, Umbreon, Magnezone, ???) that if the group encounters a legendary pokemon, that he wouldn't have to switch out or box any of 6 on his belt. In a way, like having a 7th pokemon that never goes into a pokeball or something, maybe under Renny's guidance but using Rayleen or Rachel's pokeball or something like that unless his other pokemon were unavailable by some external circumstances as mentioned above.

(Also, I'm roleplaying Shaymin as a she, not he, but that's just quibbling... although Bulbapedia says it is genderless. How very odd.)

[Dracorion]

Originally Posted by Menarker

Technically, you suggested both idea, and I "compromised" by having it do its dream messing stuff on Snorlax. But your intent seems to be to cause absolute nightmare and mayhem which frankly I'm not going to have in this side-story. :3 (And you'll thank me for it.) So just keep Mr. HorrorStory on the drawing board until another sidestory or part of the main story.

Right, so it'd try to feed on Snorlax and then what, wait for everyone to wake up and let Pierce throw a pokeball at it? It was always going to put up a fight, and since this is a pokemon that specializes in mindrape, what did you think it was going to fight with? Hugs and kisses?

As for saving it for later, when? I don't want it in someone's pokeball, which means I'd have to wait until Mission 6 to introduce it. Since there's probably only going to be, like, three missions after Mission 7, that'd be when Pierce should be getting Dialga. And we can't have him getting two legendaries so close to each other.

I don't think anyone else's sidequest would take place somewhere Enmakki would appear, and a sidequest centered around Enmakki? Sure, I could do that. And tie it into Pierce's character development. But it'd just be the one fight.

Although, hmmm, something just occurred to me. Maybe the Watchmen go to investigate a string of murders, and end up racing with Faynoc to find the bastard. But it'd be related to the plot insofar as our characters are in it and so are Faynoc's guys and probably also the Kimonos, unless AB helps me tie it into the main plot a little more. As for tying it into Pierce's character development, well, I wanted Sam to live in Wintervale, and there's no reason for the Watchmen to operate in Wintervale, so she'd have to live in Fainas. But that just reeks of contrived coincidence.

Originally Posted by Menarker

As much as the championing legend thing sounds awesome, I hope it won't force Renny to replace one of his pokemons on his belt for it.

Meh. You just tell AB you don't want to champion a legendary and that's that.

Originally Posted by Geminex

In the first battle between legendaries and the Ruin generals, quite a few Ruin Generals sacrificed themselves, yes? What's to say that some legendaries couldn't have died as well? Big battle, legendaries die, wander through Netherworld. Kimonos find them, manage to befriend/catch them, promise to release them once the Ruin threat has been defeated. It's more logical by far than assuming that Pierce can control the being that has power over all of creation.

The battle between the Ruin Generals and the legendaries was forever ago. If they were dead, they wouldn't be messing around in our world and therefore people this day wouldn't know about them.

Unless you were suggesting made-up legendaries, which could work. Except Chizuru already has Giratina, and I would goddamn bet money, a hundred million dollars, that Shizuka has Arceus. Sure, you could explain it with Giratina dimension-hopping, but I'm not sure if Giratina can hop anywhere or just between our world and Distortion World.

[Geminex]

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"Legendary".
"Legend".
I won't define it for you, but no matter whether or not they exist (or are "messing around"), there'll certainly be stories about them, myths. Legends. They don't need to be seen to be believed.

Edit:
In regards to Pierce getting Enmakki, why not link it into his sidequest? Faynoc could have reawoken it at the laboratory in order to siphon its DNA. Or something along those lines, you'll think of something. Anyway, Pierce'll have unwittingly helped, maybe he helped deliver some of the poke-eggs that were sacriced to bring it to life. It'll hound us throughout the mission (I'm assuming our attack gives it a chance to escape and go out of control, which'll give plenty of opportunities for find grisly scenes with tons of eye-less corpses), and once we've fought Faynoc's minions, we'll have to hunt it down. At first we try to kill it, realize we can't do that, so Impact, or maybe Rayleen, tell Pierce that "you helped create it, you look out for it. Your responsibility."
That'll give plausible reasons for its introduction, and explain why Pierce would even want it.

And Menarker, the way I see the entire "Champion" thing is that they wouldn't take up a pokeball. They'd simply arrive when they're needed and disappear again afterwards. They'd be under our command throughout the entire battle, (though I'm thinking that maybe we couldn't revive them in battle), but they wouldn't take up space in our party.

Edit again:

As for tying it into Pierce's character development, well, I wanted Sam to live in Wintervale, and there's no reason for the Watchmen to operate in Wintervale, so she'd have to live in Fainas. But that just reeks of contrived coincidence.

Ca-ching.
We'll be fighting Faynoc in mission three, right? (I mean real mission three, no sidequests). And we'll have to calm down a religious riot. And Faynoc brainwashes people.

Pierce spots Sam near the end of the mission. Only she's wearing robes. And looking glassy-eyed. He doesn't tell anyone about it, but it's what motivates him to visit the facility. That's where he discovers all the other consequences of his actions. It all ends with him shouldering the burden of Enmakki, who haunts him with dreams of his sister dying.

[Dracorion]

Fair enough. Then it's just a matter of the stories surviving sixteen hundred years.

Unless this is the anime world or the game world, in which case your theory goes to hell.

[Geminex]

If Impact existed in the Anime, the show would be so much better.

Any comment on my edits?