Pokemon Umbral Discussion 35: Under New Management!

[Dracorion]

Originally Posted by Menarker

Anyhow, isn't trying to make the Betas operate at random (out of control due to last of Ruin Harmonic) via knocking out the person who could control them part of the plan? Hence the reason why she is perhaps our primary target?

Technically, we don't know what they'll do. For all we know they'll all go all super saiyan and start beating the crap out of us or something.

I say we focus on knocking Miyo and Moera out, but also try and take out at least a couple of the Betas.

[Geminex]

Well, if I can develop Impact until it's possible to sympathize with him, then Charlotte can turn into someone who expresses her perpetual bloodlust in refreshing and hilarious ways!

As for why not Pierce...
y'know, that question threw me for a while. I really didn't know why not, at first.
Thank god for late-night showers, eh?

Admittedly, Pierce isn't that bad a guy. He's way less awesome than you seem to demand he be, but that's irrelevant, because he's not necessarily much less awesome than he thinks he is (or at least that's what you seem to be saying). He's pretty two-, and, after your sidequest (I hope) three-dimensional... He struggles with his idealism, he's fairly cynical towards it already, and he seems quite happy to forget it once in a while in favor of pragmatism.
But see, thing is. He's still an idealist. And Impact... as he is now, as he will be, he won't be led by one. He'll work with them and use them and certainly fight them. But to be led by them, that won't happen for quite a while yet.
Besides, I'm thinking Pierce would do better as the Righteous Lancer than as the leader. When he leads, whom's he gonna get pissed at for making immoral decisions?

I just think Charlotte's the better choice. We can all influence her to some degree (because dress an idea up in a way that makes it sound like it will serve to kill stuff, and she'll be all over it like a pack of tundra wolves over a poor, lost, 18th-century Russian woodsman named Dmitri), she's unrestrained by things like 'laws' or 'regulations' or 'manners', giving her a lot more freedom in making decisions. Less restraint. More fun.
Also, Î've thought of a way to justify Charlotte's leadership. Have Rayleen give Impact some plot-convenient but otherwise meaningless (at least for now) promotion, Impact selects Charlotte to succeed him. Bam. Instant justification.

Lemme just sum everything up here:
Menarker: Doesn't mind too much, would like Renny but won't go against the flow (meaning he'd be allright with Charlotte?)
Dante: Ditto
Bard: Charlotte for president
Drac: Pierce for President!
AB: Charlote!
And I'm going with Charlotte also.

Regardless of who you want for leader, lemme just clarify, you'd all agree to help this RP remain balanced (like I said, by my standards), continously, in return for Impact stepping down? No matter who steps up? This is primarily Menarker and Drac, but everyone, really, except for AB.

Mind you, I don't wanna do this unless it's unanimous. Neither do I want to wait until after Pierce's sidequest. So what to do...
If I've accurately summarized Menarker's position, and everyone agrees to the basic deal, there are two steps:
1: You outline roughly how Pierce is gonna change after his sidequest, without revealing what'll happen.
2: I sweeten the deal one time.
Then you accept or decline.

Also, CENTER THE LASER ON TOGEKISS.
IT IS OUR ONLY HOPE.

[Menarker]

Originally Posted by Dracorion

Technically, we don't know what they'll do. For all we know they'll all go all super saiyan and start beating the crap out of us or something.

I say we focus on knocking Miyo and Moera out, but also try and take out at least a couple of the Betas.

It's possible, but keep in mind that these things were in the vans on the premise of the battlesite the entire time, and they didn't stir one bit until the song activated, despite how much anger and rage they were supposed to have. One could imagine that the song might even be their life-line.

Originally Posted by Geminex

Lemme just sum everything up here:
Menarker: Doesn't mind too much, would like Renny but won't go against the flow (meaning he'd be allright with Charlotte?)
Dante: Ditto
Bard: Charlotte for president
Drac: Pierce for President!
AB: Charlote!
And I'm going with Charlotte also.

I mean from an out of character perspective mainly. In-character, he'd probably stick with himself (if someone offers it to him), Drac, and maybe Matthias if there was any leadership change. (This not taking in consideration any possibility of NPC leadership.) Renny... would probably see Charlotte's disregard for innocents and for mission objectives that don't suit her desire to hunt as not a good thing for a leader.

Regardless of who you want for leader, lemme just clarify, you'd all agree to help this RP remain balanced (like I said, by my standards), continously, in return for Impact stepping down? No matter who steps up? This is primarily Menarker and Drac, but everyone, really, except for AB.

Mind you, I don't wanna do this unless it's unanimous. Neither do I want to wait until after Pierce's sidequest. So what to do...
If I've accurately summarized Menarker's position, and everyone agrees to the basic deal, there are two steps:
1: You outline roughly how Pierce is gonna change after his sidequest, without revealing what'll happen.
2: I sweeten the deal one time.
Then you accept or decline.

Mind you, the entire "your standard thing" sets off mental alarms, but if your standards are more like guidelines rather than strict regulations, I'd be a bit more open to it.

Also, CENTER THE LASER ON TOGEKISS.
IT IS OUR ONLY HOPE.

You're a real ass, you know that? =P

[Dracorion]

Originally Posted by Geminex

But see, thing is. He's still an idealist. And Impact... as he is now, as he will be, he won't be led by one. He'll work with them and use them and certainly fight them. But to be led by them, that won't happen for quite a while yet.

So? You're not Impact! If Rayleen decides that someone else is better suited than Impact for leadership, what's he gonna do, throw a tantrum?

So it isn't a question if what Impact won't do, it's a question of what you're willing to have Impact put up with.

So, will you have Impact put up with an idealist leader in exchange for balance?

Originally Posted by Geminex

Besides, I'm thinking Pierce would do better as the Righteous Lancer than as the leader. When he leads, whom's he gonna get pissed at for making immoral decisions?

Himself, obviously. Pierce ain't gonna run away from the responsibility of his actions.

Again, I mean.

Originally Posted by Geminex

I just think Charlotte's the better choice. We can all influence her to some degree (because dress an idea up in a way that makes it sound like it will serve to kill stuff, and she'll be all over it like a pack of tundra wolves over a poor, lost, 18th-century Russian woodsman named Dmitri), she's unrestrained by things like 'laws' or 'regulations' or 'manners', giving her a lot more freedom in making decisions. Less restraint. More fun.

You do realize that Charlotte is smarter than she seems, right? She did come up with that whole thing about giving Impact Latios, after all.

I'm pretty sure she'd recognize any attempts to manipulate her. Not to mention she's smart enough to cut through all the bullshit. Which means the only ideas she'd get on board with would be the ones that actually involve killing lots of shit, or are brilliantly dressed up in enough bullshit to fill up an ocean to seem like they're about killing lots of shit.

Bard is obviously better qualified for answering this question, but I'm guessing that she'd let anyone do whatever they want or, hell, just upset our carefully negotiated deals and appoint Matthias or Impact leader. Or Shannon!

Originally Posted by Geminex

Also, Î've thought of a way to justify Charlotte's leadership. Have Rayleen give Impact some plot-convenient but otherwise meaningless (at least for now) promotion, Impact selects Charlotte to succeed him. Bam. Instant justification.

The problem? If Impact's getting promoted, and still going out into the field, that would make him the commanding officer over Charlotte.

Instead of a promotion, I suppose you could make it more of a sideways movement.

Originally Posted by Geminex

Lemme just sum everything up here:
Menarker: Doesn't mind too much, would like Renny but won't go against the flow (meaning he'd be allright with Charlotte?)
Dante: Ditto
Bard: Charlotte for president
Drac: Pierce for President!
AB: Charlote!
And I'm going with Charlotte also.

I'd count Menarker more as a vote for everyone, or for no one.

Originally Posted by Geminex

Regardless of who you want for leader, lemme just clarify, you'd all agree to help this RP remain balanced (like I said, by my standards), continously, in return for Impact stepping down? No matter who steps up? This is primarily Menarker and Drac, but everyone, really, except for AB.

Yep, agreed. Though wait until I respond to your query right below this and see if you won't sweeten the deal more.

Originally Posted by Geminex

Mind you, I don't wanna do this unless it's unanimous. Neither do I want to wait until after Pierce's sidequest. So what to do...
If I've accurately summarized Menarker's position, and everyone agrees to the basic deal, there are two steps:
1: You outline roughly how Pierce is gonna change after his sidequest, without revealing what'll happen.
2: I sweeten the deal one time.
Then you accept or decline.

That's... going to be tricky. Do I have to tell everyone about it, or just you? Because then we could do it over PMs.

Originally Posted by Geminex

Also, CENTER THE LASER ON TOGEKISS.
IT IS OUR ONLY HOPE.

I wanted to say this so bad. But I'm still trying to sell my plan to Menarker, so it wasn't worth upsetting him.

[Menarker]

Originally Posted by Dracorion

Hey AB, if we use an AoE attack on a spot that was occupied by an enemy that was ejected from battle, is the attack wasted or does it simply skip over to the next enemy?

Originally Posted by Menarker

Can you also confirm if Drac's guess is accurate, or if its just wild speculation?

Reposting these questions so AB can notice them this time.

Also, you Drac, you're an ass too for wanting to shoot down Togekiss full-on!

Although, given how you guys are a bunch of chaotic maruadering vilgilantes, I shouldn't be quite so shocked. >_>

[Bard The 5th LW]

You guys aren't giving Charlotte enough credit, as Drac pointed out she is smarter than than you'd expect. She can recognize the more underhanded stuff.

And she has some sense of priorities. Sure he took that shot at Shannon sort of for the lulz, but it also saved a lot of time in the 1st mission. She may go for the most unknown/strongest enemy, but that isn't always a bad bad thing. And during the Phantomere battle, she did take steps to test Phantomere's capabilities and powers.

Her orders would definitely be more broad than Impact's or Pierce's though. As long as shit dies, and it isn't her shit, she will generally give more open orders and let the others fish out some tactics.