Pokemon Umbral Theatre 13: Armored Goes West

[Dracorion]

[Menarker]

... AB, what would happen if I had Togekiss or Sky Shaymin use one of those moves like Omnious Wind or AncientPower and use Divide? Would there be a chance, however slim, that the move would proc on both foes and thus the Togekiss/Shaymin get +2 to all stats? Keeping in mind that according to your rules, super effective moves have their chances of proccing doubled and ineffective moves being halved.

*Cheeky Grin*

[Dracorion]

Try that on my watch.

I dare you.

[Menarker]

=P

It's a valid question!

Anyhow, Gem, I don't suppose you have managed to deal with the entire PM thing we discussed way back? Not that it's terribly important right now, especially since it's basically a flashback.

[Bard The 5th LW]

Originally Posted by Dracorion

The refusal was actually acceptance.

I'm such a tease.

[Dracorion]

[Geminex]

Also, you keep saying that Mollesk is way too customized? Bullshit. He NEEDS that much because the setting we're in is built to be unfair toward defense and stall types pokemons. Hence to make a pokemon of that build that is viable for this setting, he needs the extra customization.

Wha...
Are you really...
That's...
I mean, just...
I don't even...
WHA?

You have customized every single aspect of Mollesk. Moves, stats, abilities, hold item, everything. If he's bad at what he does, if he isn't well-designed, that is your very own fault.

Because the fact that he's defensive doesn't make him much weaker. How does our setting detract from the strength of defensive pokemon? And if that's really what you think, why didn't you mention it before?

Not that he's really defensive in the first place, as you've pointed out. 'Defensive' does not mean 'More than 80 attack'. Nor does it mean 'The ability and means to boost your attack to maximum'.

I'm not trying to put you down or anything, but I have had it with Mollesk. Enough already! It is min-maxed more than any other pokemon in existence! Fully and completely optimized! It does not need more customization, it does not need more power!

We already had a combat where the item was used and the amount of rage gained was nowhere near broken. It had practically passed actual testing and we were still keeping an eye on it when you insisted for no proven reason it was no good. Your math doesn't actually work out in the face of actual testing. Especially since we were still keeping an eye on it.

Hmm... true. But, and this is rather important, we still had plenty of rage rockets to go around back then. Those were a pretty significant in rage generation back then. Not so much now. One major difference.
Also, last mission, you did use Mollesk and Swampert quite a lot, didn't you? We didn't see that much of Togekiss. But that doesn't have to be the case all the time.

One mission is nice, but to call it 'actual testing'... nah. That is not how experimental method works. If you wanted to invalidate my math, you'd have to do, like, 20, 30 different tests at least. Or at least suggest reasons why the math wouldn't be valid?

I suggested the new item in case your entire argument is based on "no one should have an item that is based on rage ever".

Now that'd just be stupid. I'm fine with rage-generating items! Just not ones that potentially more than double the amount of rage you get.

But of course, I'm just guessing because you're being so inept at actually stating the actual reasons why you feel the item does not work out.

Which item are we talking about? If you mean the Supporter's Headband, or whatever it's called, my main problem with that is that it double's renny's rage generation. I'm sure I mentioned that before.
The other one... On second thought, it doesn't seem so bad. You're gonna be having a more than 50% chance most of the time anyway, and in those cases when you don't, it'll be a motivator to use a greater variety of moves.
Though I'm not sure about multi-target attacks...
And I did find it rather strange that you went 'NOPE I WANT SOMETHING ELSE' once you ran out of counter-arguments. Why did you do that?

And look, stop making me look like the bad guy. M'kay? I care about balance. I want this game to be fun. That is all. I'll refrain from questioning your motives, I'll assume you're acting in good faith, but you'll do the same to me. If this is a simple disagreement, neither of us is at fault. But if you start implying that I'm somehow wrong to argue this, I'll start reevaluating your motives as well. And somehow I'm under the impression that you'd come off worse in that exchange.
So let's not make this personal, let's stay focused on the subject matter. And let's just try to persuade each other.

We argued this argument several times, but you never propose anything but negative comments that can be condensed to "SHOOT IT DOWN, END IT NOW!

I'll ignore the fact that this was your first counter-argument, and the implications thereof to your case. But come on. I'd gladly give constructive criticism! But only once we all agree that criticism is in order! If you guys had a history of agreeing with me, sure! I'd be making so many suggestions, you would not believe. But as it is, you guys disagree with me a lot, our discussions tend to go nowhere. Before I invest into suggesting improvements, I need to know that we all agree that we need improvements!
You're honestly asking me to spend time thinking up and proposing alternatives just in case you feel like accepting one of them? And you're doing this while going 'BUT NO ALTERNATIVES ARE NECESSARY, DOUBLE RAGE IS TOTALLY BALANCED!'.
Really, Menarker?
Really?

Also, I did actually propose alternatives to the headband. Not even that much of a nerf. Renny gains defensive rage from 2 adjacent pokemon to either side, and togekiss takes 1/4 empathy damage every time one of them gets hit by an attack.

[Bard The 5th LW]

I have to agree to the extent that Menarker seems to adore Mollesk probably more than Gem does Impact.

Drac probably has some obsession with Pierce being better and stronger as well, but I find Pierce's testosterone poisoning to be hilarious.

[Dracorion]

It's true, I do.

But I don't think it qualifies as testosterone poisoning, though.

[Geminex]

And how do I adore Impact? If I adored him, I wouldn't have made him a horrible person!