Ultimate Spider Man: Peter Parker is dead, long live Spider-Man

[Karrrrrrrrrrrresche]

Originally Posted by Fifthfiend

Event sales don't mean shit.

EDIT: I could write THE DEATH OF ARCHIE and sell a million copies, it doesn't mean that Archie actually has a million readers.

I dunno man, a couple of decades ago you might get away with saying everybody buys eight copies to sell later on (Which they'd have to do for there to only be 20,000 readers) but I think the industry has gotten to the point where the consumers might have figured out that's a pretty bad investment.

[The Sevenshot Kid]

Originally Posted by NonCon

Isn't it preferable to waiting for the eventuality of him being handed off to a new writer and getting turned into a douchebag?

No one is really complaining about the death. What people seem to have a bone to pick with is that it may* have been an even cheaper stunt than we thought aimed at gaining media attention.

*I don't necessarily believe this. It's a possibility but I don't care. I'm interested in seeing what Miles Morales has to offer.

[Kim]

@Token: Not really. It just means you might have gotten two more years before Spidey turned into a douche, and if you can blame corporate meddling for Spidey's being killed off you can just as easily assume that same sort of meddling could have resulted in Spidey turning into a douche.

[Token]

Originally Posted by Fifthfiend

Event sales don't mean shit.

EDIT: I could write THE DEATH OF ARCHIE and sell a million copies, it doesn't mean that Archie actually has a million readers.

Except Ultimate Spider-Man was pretty consistently selling in the top 30, so it had readers.

[Nikose Tyris]

Also strictly speaking MJ made the deal with Mephisto, not Parker.

[Token]

Originally Posted by NonCon

@Token: Not really. It just means you might have gotten two more years before Spidey turned into a douche, and if you can blame corporate meddling for Spidey's being killed off you can just as easily assume that same sort of meddling could have resulted in Spidey turning into a douche.

So we could have had at least two more years without this cheap stunt. Wow, I can't see why anyone would possibly be annoyed by this change.

[The Sevenshot Kid]

Originally Posted by Nikose Tyris

Also strictly speaking MJ made the deal with Mephisto, not Parker.

That's totally true. Except not true in the slightest. Peter made the deal in OMD but then they retconned the retcon in OMIT (get it?!) so that MJ made the deal. It's all a giant ball of stupid shit that keeps me from being able to read mainstream Spider-Man. The only thing I can read post OMD/OMIT is Flash Thompson's series as Venom.

[Marc v4.0]

ITT:

[Nique]

It seems like everyone could agree that the superficial traits of the character (appearance, race, sexual orientation, favorite tv shows, etc.) being built so as to be inclusive to minorities is a positive thing so long as the writers use them to effectively influence the character's personality instead of relying on meaningless stereotypes to characterize him, which is what it sounds like Jagos was on about though I'm not sure.

Like, it's actually true to the spirit of Spider-Man for the character to be someone who might face adversity or bullying becuase of his appearance or interests - Peter Parker was bullied for being a nerd in highschool. Miles might have to deal with similar, albeit more serious, forms of rejection or conflict for being a mixed-race youth. That actually sounds pretty compelling, a like a story that a lot of people could relate to.

EDIT: And I mean, of course the media is going to talk about this in only the most meaningless terms. I don't think we should be relying on those articles to form any opinions as to how the character is going to be handled.

[Aerozord]

Originally Posted by Nique

forms of rejection or conflict for being a mixed-race youth. That actually sounds pretty compelling, a like a story that a lot of people could relate to.

I know my school was unusually integrated, but is this really a thing anymore? No one I've ever met in my generation really cares