Homesuck: Vriska Rising - Page 1329

Malek · 04-27-2015, 01:33 PM

It's not really a direct cause though, doing the retcon did not force them to make that choice, it's just a choice they weren't given pre-retcon because most of them died.

Loyal · 04-27-2015, 03:05 PM

Which is just pedantry, really. And again ties into the lack of agency. If any course of action you can take, up to and including dying and doing nothing forever, or permanently breaking the stable time loop of inevitability, leads to the same outcome regardless... what is the point of the character actions? Or even the story?

What we are seeing is that not only have the last four years meant nothing, but so too has the one action designed, narratively and explicitly, to give the characters an out from their awful destinies. It has all meant nothing because everything is STILL going according to the cosmic narrative.

rpgdemon · 04-27-2015, 04:50 PM

I might be looking at it wrong, but I don't think that this is the end result of their actions, this time around.

Hear me out: John has multiple times in the past been shown to go back to things that we have seen and change how that went down. We have ALSO seen John go back to a point where he zapped himself to previously, and zap himself out of there. It's also been shown that, when John does something, it remains canonically true in the past, and always has been true. So this happened in the timeline that was averted, and continues happening now because at some point John made it happen, and it will continue happening until he un-makes it.

I'm pretty sure that all of that is setting the scene for John to go back to where they lost and do ~something~ there.

Like, if Future John goes to fight Caliborn and fails, that becomes the current canon. If John zaps to Future John, the whole thing gets rewritten. Essentially, we have all the time between now, and whenever they all decided to storm the castle, for John to zap to that point and change what's going on.

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That said, why is Arquius still a thing. Did Vriska just go and throw his head in there a second time for kicks, or...?

Solid Snake · 04-27-2015, 06:07 PM

This update is depressing for confirming Vriska as so fucking Awful Mary Sue I want to punch her.
...If she's not a human woman it's okay to want to want to punch her, right? If anything women are the dominant gender in their society so I feel this is an appropriate emotion to have.

POS Industries · 04-27-2015, 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by rpgdemon

That said, why is Arquius still a thing. Did Vriska just go and throw his head in there a second time for kicks, or...?

If I had to guess, since gaining access to Aradia's time travel devices, she probably already knows how all this works out and leads up to the creation of Lord English, so she's making sure it happens in order to defeat him herself because she's learned absolutely goddamn nothing.

Solid Snake · 04-27-2015, 07:13 PM

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Originally Posted by POS Industries

If I had to guess, since gaining access to Aradia's time travel devices, she probably already knows how all this works out and leads up to the creation of Lord English, so she's making sure it happens in order to defeat him herself because she's learned absolutely goddamn nothing.

You've actually brought up my best case scenario ending for this story, given the corner Andrew's written himself into, which involves new-leader Vriska condemning her team to failure by being too prideful in desiring a heroic conclusion that was never meant for her. Lord English wins, the moral of the story is futility...that's the best-case scenario now simply because Andrew's committed himself to that depressing theme so many times that it wouldn't make any sense for him to suddenly abandon ship.

That's not going to happen, of course, because Vriska's going to randomly stumble into the correct answer by virtue of being the very incarnation of some bizarro-world Mary Sue.

Loyal · 04-27-2015, 07:29 PM

Quote:

VRISKA: Terezi, please. Let's not 8icker in front of the party.
VRISKA: We need to 8e showing solidarity here!
TEREZI: W3 DO?
VRISKA: Yes. We are equally important to the party as its overarching executives. The ones with the most experience in the department of guile and ruthlessness.
VRISKA: I may project my voice louder than you, and 8orrow the spotlight for a little longer, 8ut you were always the soul of Team Scourge!
VRISKA: I couldn't 8e doing this without you. I wouldn't even want to!
TEREZI: 4W
TEREZI: Y34H, OK
TEREZI: YOU'R3 R1GHT... 1'M B3H1ND YOU 4LL TH3 W4Y!

What in the fuck even is this?

Arcanum · 04-27-2015, 07:32 PM

Yeah, seriously, who the fuck are these people?

POS Industries · 04-27-2015, 07:40 PM

Karkat was the only vaguely recognizable voice in the whole thing.

Solid Snake · 04-27-2015, 08:02 PM

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Originally Posted by POS Industries

Karkat was the only vaguely recognizable voice in the whole thing.

You know, if Karkat just snapped, went on some kind of rampage, killed everyone else, took on Lord English, crushed Lord English, and became basically God or Satan...

...it'd certainly be out of character...

...But I wouldn't mind?

04-27-2015, 04:50 PM	#13283
rpgdemon Not a Taco Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 3,313	I might be looking at it wrong, but I don't think that this is the end result of their actions, this time around. Hear me out: John has multiple times in the past been shown to go back to things that we have seen and change how that went down. We have ALSO seen John go back to a point where he zapped himself to previously, and zap himself out of there. It's also been shown that, when John does something, it remains canonically true in the past, and always has been true. So this happened in the timeline that was averted, and continues happening now because at some point John made it happen, and it will continue happening until he un-makes it. I'm pretty sure that all of that is setting the scene for John to go back to where they lost and do ~something~ there. Like, if Future John goes to fight Caliborn and fails, that becomes the current canon. If John zaps to Future John, the whole thing gets rewritten. Essentially, we have all the time between now, and whenever they all decided to storm the castle, for John to zap to that point and change what's going on. ---------- Post added at 04:50 PM ---------- Previous post was at 04:49 PM ---------- That said, why is Arquius still a thing. Did Vriska just go and throw his head in there a second time for kicks, or...? __________________ I did a lot of posting on here as a teenager, and I was pretty awful. Even after I learned, grew up, and came to be on the right side of a lot of important issues, I was still angry, abrasive, and generally increased the amount of hate in the world, in pretty unacceptable ways. On the off chance that someone is taking a trip down memory lane looking through those old threads, I wanted to devote my signature to say directly to you, I'm sorry. Thank you for letting me be better, NPF.

04-27-2015, 06:07 PM	#13284
Solid Snake Erotic Esquire Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 5,563	This update is depressing for confirming Vriska as so fucking Awful Mary Sue I want to punch her. ...If she's not a human woman it's okay to want to want to punch her, right? If anything women are the dominant gender in their society so I feel this is an appropriate emotion to have. __________________ *WARNING:* Snek's all up in this thread. Be prepared to read massive walls of text.

04-27-2015, 07:32 PM	#13288
Arcanum Strike the Earth! Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Canada Posts: 3,185	Yeah, seriously, who the fuck are these people? __________________ POS Almighty has spoken.

04-27-2015, 07:40 PM	#13289
POS Industries Argus Agony Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Gotta go fishing! Posts: 10,483	Karkat was the only vaguely recognizable voice in the whole thing. __________________ Either you're dead or my watch has stopped.

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04-27-2015, 01:33 PM	#13281
Malek Shyguy Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 119	It's not really a direct cause though, doing the retcon did not force them to make that choice, it's just a choice they weren't given pre-retcon because most of them died.