Pokemon Umbral Discussion 30: Less and Less About Pokemon Each Day

[Dracorion]

Originally Posted by Geminex

As for b-d...
I'm not saying he can face you alone. But when you're an uber-dictator, you don't have to, you can get your Deputies and Strike Squads ("Scythetips") to take care of your former allies one-by-one, especially when it seems like they're all terrorists.

Yeah, like that'll stop us.

Anyway, I just had the most amazing idea. In the shower! Because the bathroom is where the best ideas are made! Like Doc Brown, banging his head on the sink and coming up with the flux capacitor, and by extension, TIME TRAVEL!!!

Can I make up fourth evolutions for Pierce's pseudo-legendaries? Y'know, Tyranitar, Metagross and Aria? Yeah, I realize that might be rather excessive, but I promise not to make it too big a boost. I figure, those three are perhaps the members of Pierce's permanent team that need some growing up. And evolution is probably the best way to highlight that. It's not that they'll evolve and then they'll suddenly be zapped with maturity. Rather, the evolutions will come as a result of their character development.

See, I kinda like the idea of pseudo-legendaries achieving their ultimate, perfect forms not through soulless grinding, but by reaching a new stage of maturity. That goes for both the trainer and the pokemon. Not only do they have to develop individually, but their relationship must grow as well.

With all the sappy in-game justification aside, what I'm thinking of, because evolution must after all involve some kind of boost, is upping their base stats from 600 to 620. Though, that may be too much, of course, so I'm okay with lowering it to 610 or even 605. I'd also like to come up with a custom move for each of them. Nothing overly powerful; they'd be useful, but decent. And their abilities would remain the same, except I might change Metagross'.

What do you all think?

Yeah, I understand your concerns. Pierce's team will already include two legendaries, and now he wants three Uber-pseudo-legendaries? Does that guy want to be unstoppable or what? I understand, and I'm not going to argue if you're all vehemently against it. Just understand that this is about developing their characters rather than buffing up my team.

I'm trying to think up names for Uber-Tyranitar. Behemitar? Collositar? Titanitar (but of course, this one's too close to Tyranitar)? It has to be something big. And I don't even want to get started on Nagarai. Metagross' appearance will be tricky. I mean, the other two would be pretty much the same, just more. But making more of Metagross without looking stupid is going to take some effort.

And my comment about Doc Brown above reminded me of this. So I decided that in the world of Pokemon Umbral that is a real movie. Or should I say... movies.

TERMINATOR GOES BACK TO THE FUTURESee, first there's Terminator Goes Back to the Future Part I. Doc Brown invents TIME TRAVEL!!! Skynet sends the T1000 to 1985 to kill Doc Brown, because time travel is the key to stopping it in the past before it can take over the world. The T1000 succeeds, but Marty escapes in the DeLorean to 1955 and it must follow in order to finish the job. John Connor sends Arnold Schwarzenegger the Terminator back to 1955 to protect Marty and Doc. Awesomeness ensues.

Then there's Terminator Goes Back to the Future Part II: Judgment Day. Marty, Doc and Jennifer are stranded in the year 2015 where the machines have taken over the planet. Enter John Connor and the Resistance, which Marty and Jennifer's future selves are a part of. Unfortunately, there's no plutonium for the DeLorean, since the machines used most of it wiping out humanity and the Resistance used what was left trying to stop the machines. But maybe we can find you an alternate power source... More awesomeness ensues, Marty and Doc learn what they need in order to stop Skynet from being built (programmed? formed?), go back to 1958 and succeed in saving the future... almost. Doc is beamed back to the Wild West with a vital piece (chip? hard drive? something?). The equipment to destroy the whateveritis isn't going to be made for more than a hundred years, so Doc can't destroy it. And it's lost upon his death.

Cue Terminator Goes Back to the Future Part III: Salvation. Marty recieves a letter from the year 1885 from Doc. Marty goes to the Wild West to save Doc. Is that the TX? Wait a minute... that's no Terminatrix. Is that... Samuel L. Jackson?! Shit, we are so fucked. (Yeah, I wanted to throw in a black TX. And if you're going to have a black Terminator, who better than Samuel L. Jackson?) Fortunately, John Connor sends Arnold the Terminator to 1885 to save Doc and Marty. Clash of the Titans indeed. Hell, TermiJackson probably even has a lightsaber so he can go Mace Windu all up in yo ass. Of course, to prevent it from becoming Terminator meets Back to the Future meets Star Wars, said lightsaber would see little use. In the end, TermiJackson is destroyed, Marty and Doc save the future, and everyone lives happily ever after.

The end.

As an afterthought: Doc and Marty bring Skynet back with them from the future where it can infect the computer systems in 1985 and begin it's takeover of the world.

[Geminex]

Wow. Are you sure you were showering?
Because yeah, I get my best ideas in the shower too! Either there, or while I'm half-asleep. But see, my ideas there are logical and coherent. Your post, on the other hand, corresponds less to showering, and more to becoming extremely inebriated. Have you been inbibing large amounts of alcohol, by any chance?


As for the extra-evolutions... It doesn't sound too horrible. I think it should be limited to leader-pokemon only, and the custom move shouldn't be any more powerful than already-existing moves, but I'd be allright with that whole thing being a level-up benefit for trainers in the later levels. That'd mean that Menarker can get it too, but that'd be allright.

[Menarker]

You're drunk. You must be drunk.

The Drac I know said stupid stuff before, but never like that! You're an imposter!

Custom Moves? Increased stats all around? I don't mind at all, since
A: I'm gunning for the same myself
B: AB said that would happen due to Pokemon Breeder class being considered elites, among other bonuses.

But a fourth evolution? That's needlessly complicated and I fail to see where character development comes just because they hit a new level of puberty! Isn't there any other way/reason that they can develop as characters that aren't so drastic? Cause I totally think that idea is retarded (my personal opinion that came right at the top of my head when I read this). Character development? I'm behind that. The suggested Power boost? It's not overboard and AB said that power boosts would be part of the Pokemon Breeder package. Custom Moves? Hell, I want them too! But a sudden change in the entire notion of pokemon by adding a 4th tier of evolutions naturally? I'm gunning that down as it is. The entire explaination between pokemons and trainers having to grow and develop together to reach a new level? That's everything I said about Pokemon Breeders already. God, it's like everyone is trying to take my ideas and claim them as their own!

Now, if Pierce wanted to make them Poke-weapons... I guess that make sense a bit since Burkmont has been doing the same thing (thus there is precedant, and AB can help you out probably), giving pokemons multiple additional evolutions. But this sort of thing doesn't happen naturally (as far as any of the pokemon contents like anime or games are concerned)... plus, this would probably be less of a character development than Pierce deciding that he wanted to turn his pokemons into weapons (or so I would see it).


That's my reaction, so I'm sorry if I seem like I exploded. ^^;

[Dracorion]

For all you know I was showering in beer.

And the idea that I got while in the shower was the extra evolutions. And I would really really like it if I could get it for all three pokemon I requested.

Terminator Goes Back to the Future is something I made up on the spot and pretty much just spinned out of my comment about Doc Brown.

EDIT:

Originally Posted by Menarker

But a fourth evolution? That's needlessly complicated and I fail to see where character development comes just because they hit a new level of puberty! Isn't there any other way/reason that they can develop as characters that aren't so drastic? Cause I totally think that idea is retarded (my personal opinion that came right at the top of my head when I read this). Character development? I'm behind that. Power boost? It's not overboard and AB said that power boosts would be part of the Pokemon Breeder package. Custom Moves? Hell, I want them too! But a sudden change in the entire notion of pokemon by adding a 4th tier of evolutions naturally? I'm gunning that down. The entire explaination between pokemons and trainers having to grow and develop? That's everything I said about Pokemon Breeders already. God, it's like everyone is trying to take my ideas and claim them as their own!

Oh come on. This is Pokemon Umbral! A whole new world! We can push the boundaries, change the rules! I mean, you made a non-legendary evolve into a legendary. Are fourth evolutions really so much more radical than that?

See, the evolutions wouldn't make them mature. Rather, they would mature and that would cause them to evolve.

Think of it as a happiness-induced evolution, if you will (which I like better than just having them evolve to UBER forms by grinding). If I had to justify it, I would say... hmmm... Maybe pseudo-legendaries have a happiness cap of 250. In order to overcome that limit, they and their trainer have to reach a certain level of personal growth at which point they would reach 255 and evolve.

And I was not at all thinking of Pokemon Breeders when I came up with it. When I said custom moves, I meant made-up moves that you can make available to your own pokemon if you'd like. Like how Dialga, Enmakki and Bard's Revenard all have their own awesome made up moves. Legendaries that AB's made up like Cerebraptor and Allegion, too. And the moves I'd be giving my pokemon really, really wouldn't be very powerful. Like I said, useful but decent.

[Menarker]

I still think it's utterly absurd, and believe me, Renny has two pokemons that evolves from happiness (Togepi to Togetic and Eevee to Umbreon), so he/I know! That is his gig! Spotlight stealing, role-stealing and toe stepping aside, I still think you can come up with better ways to make your pokemons shine than to break all the rules.

Mind you, my Mollesk example was not that much of a stretch in the rules because Manaphy was a legendary pokemon and yet could breed. So if their numbers get big enough, they would be powerful yes, but not exactly as legendary in rarity anymore. 4 stages is pretty much unheard of. Hence why I believe that if you want them to go that far, they probably have to go Poke-weapon. Heck, you got a Pokesapien in your party too. You could have a team of genetically altered pokemons. :3

As for custom moves, that's pretty much how I thought it would be. I gave you an example before too!

[Dracorion]

Originally Posted by Menarker

I still think it's utterly absurd, and believe me, Renny has two pokemons that evolves from happiness (Togepi to Togetic and Eevee to Umbreon), so he/I know! That is his gig! Spotlight stealing and toe stepping aside, I still think you can come up with better ways to make your pokemons shine than to break all the rules.

Well, yeah. I can give them character development regardless of whether or not they evolve. And I wasn't so much looking to make them shine. More like rewarding myself for getting to that point. It's not like they're going to be evolving right away, and they sure as hell won't all be evolving together. It's going to be a long and painful process to get them from where they are now to where I want them to be.

I mean, Tyranitar has to accept that Pierce is a big boy now. Aria has to grow up. And Metagross has to learn emotion.

Pierce isn't going to go for a team of genetically-fucked up pokemon like Pokegeddon. Not that AB would ever let us get anywhere near Pokegeddon's power levels. But yeah, going Pokesapien was actually Aria's idea. And Pierce, nice as he is and fully aware of the consequences, agreed anyway. And she's just like any other pokemon, except with a huge rack and the ability to talk.

And I encourage you to evolve your pokemon. Come up with a fourth form for Togekiss. Evolve Shaymin! Hell, evolve Umbreon and open the doors to a whole new world of third-stage Eeveelutions. Want some help?

Originally Posted by Menarker

As for custom moves, that's pretty much how I thought it would be. I gave you an example before too!

Man, that was forever ago, how can you expect me to remember that? Seriously, I have no idea what that example was.

[Geminex]

Not that AB would ever let us get anywhere near Pokegeddon's power levels.

Speak for yourself.

And this is refreshing. A discussion without my participation! Man lemme get some popcorn.
Unless we turn out to have different ways of interpreting "useful but decent", in which case I'll start parcipating so hard.

[Bard The 5th LW]

I am not sure where I stand. Normally, I wouldn't mind the evolution, I've even considered one for Buck, but you're trying to evolve pseudo-legendaries. Those fuckers are already pretty tough.

I'll see the rest of what Gem nd Menarker say before I make a vote.

[Menarker]

Originally Posted by BardTheFifthLightWarrior

I am not sure where I stand. Normally, I wouldn't mind the evolution, I've even considered one for Buck, but you're trying to evolve pseudo-legendaries. Those fuckers are already pretty tough.

I'll see the rest of what Gem nd Menarker say before I make a vote.

... my posts must have turned invisible... somehow... I said tons already.

Anyhow, I'm waiting for AB, to see what he has to say about all this. Plus, the pic/s that is to come with the new thread, since we're up to the point where we get a new one! ^^

Mind you, I don't mind Bard getting a new evolution.

Hell, all of Charlotte's pokemon could use one, given all her pokemons are lower tier, with only Arcanine being high tier (being the strongest non-psuedo legendary power level pokemon as far as I know)

[Bard The 5th LW]

Buck is pretty good for now, but Spitz and Pike could definitely use a boost. Hammond and Sol-leks may need some help later, but they are OK right now. Sol-leks also has his Eye-patch of power, which makes him pretty without really high stats.

And I can imagine Charlotte volunteering Pike and Spitz to be turned into poke-weapons. That way it can be hand waved as being an unnatural evolution.