Pokemon Umbral Discussion 32: Ultimate Showdown of Ascended Classes

[Dracorion]

Originally Posted by Geminex

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In regards to Drac’s rant…
Unless you would have made no protest at all against Impact’s mind control of Pierce, I don’t think I would’ve benefited. And even if you would’ve been perfectly willing to turn Pierce into a mere puppet to Impact’s will, I don’t want to use mind control against PCs. It’s supposed to be something to facilitate Impact’s large-scale power grab, not give me dominance over the team. I can get that in other ways.

Yes, because Impact's mind control is going to be complete and utter. Cool.

Originally Posted by Geminex

And don’t threaten me, it doesn’t suit you. Even if Enmakki could get into Impact’s mind (since most of the real ‘evil’ won’t manifest until he goes half-demon, I actually really doubt that), and even if Pierce were gullible enough to believe the evil nightmare demon who specifically exists to hurt him, what could he do? Long-term covert resistance? I hardly think he’d be effective. But the only alternative would be to attack Impact directly. And tell me, when a normally sane individual starts attacking his teammates at the behest of an evil nightmare demon, what would you call that individual? Because the term that springs to mind is “possessed”. And that, in turn, would give Impact a perfect excuse to hold him down while Charlotte exorcises him. With her shotgun.

Enmakki doesn't actually want to hurt Pierce. Admittedly, Pierce has trouble believing anything Enmakki says, but for the most part it has to be true because if Pierce sets out to prove it and finds out it was a lie then, hell, Enmakki won't ever get Pierce's trust.

The whole point is to have Pierce achieve wold domination. To do that, Enmakki needs Pierce to trust it. Pierce knows that.

Even if Impact's "evil" won't manifest until he goes half-demon (which sounds rather convenient; the guy has to have at least had ideas, some small inclination by now), Enmakki would still know everything about Impact until he goes Demon. Then it'd be up to Pierce to connect the dots between that and Impact's actions after going demonic.

Sure, Impact could pretend to be all nice and good. Except he's not that good an actor and you're not that good a roleplayer.

Pierce's reaction to finding out Impact's evil (though I think it'll just be Pierce finding out that Impact can't be trusted, which is something else entirely), would be somewhere between the two you mentioned: long-term covert resistance and direct confrontation. Somewhere between the two.

As for threatening you: maybe I'm branching out to other fields.

Originally Posted by Geminex

And our deal was that Pierce stops supporting Impact (not necessarily because he realizes he’s evil, that’s up to you) once Impact gets promoted to the degree, that the lack of Pierce’s support doesn’t harm him too much. When that happens is up to AB, if it’s by mission 4, fine. It’d be acceptable, but fuck it man. I made quite a lot of concessions, here, and I wanted support, not indifference or even impotent hostility. I’m pissed at myself because I let you weasel out of it, and at you, because you pretty much made me, since I had no way of enforcing it.
So don’t tell me to stop straining your patience.

No, no. Our deal was that Pierce would be allowed to stop supporting Impact once Impact's leadership is established. Which would be after Mission 4, unless you want to come up with a reasonable argument for why it shouldn't.

Not that Pierce would suddenly decide to dislike Impact after Mission 4. I've got some ideas, but it won't happen right away and goddamnit why do you keep making me repeat that?

That said, I realize I probably have weaseled out of it a bit. In my defense, Impact can't expect Pierce to like him when he specifically does things repeatedly that Pierce doesn't agree with. Still, you're right.

Pierce will properly support Impact, openly, if not overtly. And certainly not fanatically. He might say a mean thing every now and then, and get pissed, but he won't go with his own ideas unless Impact is unable to perform his duties.

That said, remember to delegate.

Originally Posted by Geminex

As for your 6-attack sigtech, why are you assuming that our sigtechs get stronger as we increase in level? They’re already increasing in strength because our characters are getting more stats and higher rage generation. Why should we be getting more bang for our buck (or, rather, rage points) at later levels? Unless it costs an ungodly amount of rage, I’d oppose that technique quite hard.
Unless I’m wrong, and AB wants us to have incredibly powerful sigtechs later?

No, AB probably won't let us have incredibly powerful SignTechs later. What I'm referring to is crap like Overblades having immunity to two types, immunity to two status effects, awesome fucking stat boosts, two attacks per turn and awesome rage generation.

Yes, I realize you probably won't be going Overblade, but someone will, even if it's just a NPC.

The other classes get comparable bonuses. Breeders get Xth-level pokemon and Ability Shifts; Devas get to eliminate type weaknesses, stat boosts, longer Paradigm Shifting and more forms. Tuners get awesome Snagballs and eight pokemon.

Specifically in regards to my six-attack tech idea, I proposed Wilhelmina's Maid to Mistress as an example. When she goes Overblade, she'll presumably get four attacks per turn and +5 to all stats for three turns when she uses Maid to Mistress.

Is that really so much different from six attacks per turn for three turns?

Originally Posted by Geminex

Also, what the fuck. Why the fuck to trainers get to use their trainer attacks action to use techniques in? They have two actions already! Impact just has one, and he still has to use his single action to use techniques in. Either give Slayers more actions, or give Trainers less. Or both. Yeah, both.

Well I'm sorry my penis is bigger than yours, I truly am because then you wouldn't bitch this much, but Christ man. Yes, Impact gets one action but it's a hell of an action. There's a reason Impact is a priority target that enemies like to Bind or set on fire, and you conviniently keep forgetting that.

Originally Posted by Geminex

Also, claiming at least one legendary for my Snagger. Mew, probably, and one other custom. Don’t anyone dare protest.

OH WOW GEE IM TOTALLY PROTESTING IM THE ONLY ONE THAT CAN MAKE UP HIS OWN SHIT STFU BITCH SCREW YOU

Originally Posted by Geminex

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Ok, who’s Sophie? The side-character? Fair enough. Sorta weird that you’d already start on her Magatama, but ok. Except for this:

This is sorta what I’d envisioned for Impact, and I’m pretty sure what I wrote is quite similar to this. Not that I mind too much, we’ll be in different teams after all, they won’t collide in terms of function.

Well she'll be getting half-demon as soon as our main-RP characters, so why not?

As for that skill, I honestly forgot that Impact had one just like it. In my defense, it was thirteen pages ago. If you don't like it, I'm sure I can change it.

Originally Posted by Geminex

And Tsujimi, with those stats? Absolutely not. 400 base stats at most, and fuck those custom attacks. It’s supposed to be an anti-cheater, not a cheater itself. I don’t care what AB says, that is fucking excessive. I mean goddammit, you have the nerve to get pissed at Mollesk, when you create that kind of abomination? No, and fuck that noise in every stinking, leaking orifice. Not unless Charlotte, Matt and Impact get some sort of massive boost am I going to be allright with that kind of power in any other characters’ hands. I didn’t include Renny, cause he can take care of himself.

There's the penis envy again.

Say we did leave Tsujimi at 400 stats and no custom moves. Then it'd be entirely useless. In my defense, I did say it would probably need to be depowered.

I'll drop Tsujimi to 460 stats. The custom moves and forms will stay. Then it'll be awesome, but still as defeatable as any other pokemon.

Originally Posted by Geminex

Your plan is allright, though I came up with something more fun. It involved murdering Grant. But oh well, what you’ve done is sufficient.
Though if you'd be willing to wait, I could offer you one hell of a fun turn, on our side. Gimme two days, and with my next post, Grant is dead, his pokemon are dead, and the enemy is demoralized as hell.

You want to concentrate fire on Grant? Either that, or somehow make it so he dies but his pokemon don't go rogue.

Still, I think we should go with my plan this turn, and you can do yours next turn.

Originally Posted by Geminex

Ok, y’know what? From now on, all hostages are gonna get an anti-teleport collar. It’s equipped with GPS and a very lethal explosive charge, if the system detects that they’ve moved more than 20 yards within a tenth of a second, they have no head. Thank you for exposing one of my weaknesses while you were in no postition to take advantage of it. Anything else that I've missed?

Hostages that can shrink, change shape in some way, become intangible...

Originally Posted by Geminex

hahahaha oh wow

I said usually. That said, you know how my memory is. I can't remember shit. Care to quote some examples of whatever it is you're referring to?

[DanteFalcon]

Ok this isn't really that relevant but while I had some free time today I played Heart Gold. And upon using Mystery Gift the game was like

"Ah screw it. Have Jirachi".

Yeah. I'm a happy panda.

[Dracorion]

Well, ain't you a lucky sonnuvabitch?

[DanteFalcon]

Damn right I am!

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Hey AB is Jirachi accounted for and/or is his DNA available?