Still not ginger (Thenew doctor who thread)

[Steel Shadow]

Originally Posted by NonCon

The Doctor has always taken longer to die than normal people, and has managed to save his own life as a result of it several times. This is nothing new.

True, and normally I have no problem with it. This time was extreme though. Come on, they could have put *some* effort into it.

I think it's part "What if the Dalek heard or Rory and Amy acted differently as a result of hearing that" and part "I said that because that's what I said."

Darleks - experts on human reactions, they ain't. And this isn't Monkey island.

[Nique]

When you start doing that sort of thing to resolve your plot, what's the bloody point?

This is all pretty typical Doctor Who fare so far as I've seen (all of it now). Why are you surprised?

[Kim]

Originally Posted by Steel Shadow

True, and normally I have no problem with it. This time was extreme though. Come on, they could have put *some* effort into it.

You mean like having him eat random-ass stuff in a kitchen to cure being poisoned, or putting large amounts of radiation into his shoe?

Darleks - experts on human reactions, they ain't. And this isn't Monkey island.

He took the mop with him to see Rory because he took the mop with him to see Rory. Why is saying something because he said it so far-fetched? Besides, I wouldn't even be surprised if he did it just to screw with them.

[Steel Shadow]

Originally Posted by Nique

This is all pretty typical Doctor Who fare so far as I've seen (all of it now). Why are you surprised?

This particular bit seems to have snagged my suspension of disbelief quite badly. Maybe it's got something to do with the fact that the pandorica was supposed to be the ultimate Doctor prison created by pretty much anything he'd ever encountered. And he gets out in 5 minuets. Or maybe it's the whole "Wouldn't have happened if it hadn't happened" thing, I dislike it when people screw up time travel so completely (Yes, I'm aware we're talking about fiction here. Still bugs me!)

You mean like having him eat random-ass stuff in a kitchen to cure being poisoned

That gets a pass for being funny... Plus being in a rather lousy episode on top.

or putting large amounts of radiation into his shoe?

don't quite remember that one, though I'll grant you, sounds dumb.

He took the mop with him to see Rory because he took the mop with him to see Rory.

Technically he took the mop becuase Rory said "Oh hey, you just reminded me that you visited me with a mop!" and he figured "Oh, I do that now then." Which is reasonable (for what it is)

Why is saying something because he said it so far-fetched? Besides, I wouldn't even be surprised if he did it just to screw with them.

Best explination I've heard so far. Maybe if I add low key malice into everything the Doctor does it'll help me get trhough episodes I don't like.


Edit: Whoops, didn't see that response.

I find it especially funny that you're saying this on a forum for a comic that did that exact thing. Stable time loops aren't half as confusing as people make them out to be.

That's pretty different. I mean, one's a funny internet comic, the others a show about time travel. One of these things I expect to keep the rules of time travel at least passable.

[Kim]

Originally Posted by Steel Shadow

That's pretty different. I mean, one's a funny internet comic, the others a show about time travel. One of these things I expect to keep the rules of time travel at least passable.

When have stable time loops ever not been passable? In a world with time travel, to prevent time paradoxes, your options are alternate timeline or anything done in "the past" has to have been something that was already going to happen. It's all rather straight-forward, and I find the fans of shows/stories/etc that use this plot device make it far more confusing than it ever actually was.

[Steel Shadow]

Originally Posted by NonCon

When have stable time loops ever not been passable? In a world with time travel, to prevent time paradoxes, your options are alternate timeline or anything done in "the past" has to have been something that was already going to happen. It's all rather straight-forward, and I find the fans of shows/stories/etc that use this plot device make it far more confusing than it ever actually was.

Oh, I have no real quarrel with the thing once it's all under way, aside from it being cheap as hell. It's how they get started that annoys me. Without the loop, the Doctor would be trapped in the pandorica forever. There's no real reason for a time loop to have started. Aside from the show not ending, I suppose.

[Kim]

A time loop doesn't start. It's a literal loop, with no definite beginning or end. Simply because you see it from a linear perspective of time does not mean that that linearity has any relevance the loop.

[Steel Shadow]

Originally Posted by NonCon

A time loop doesn't start. It's a literal loop, with no definite beginning or end. Simply because you see it from a linear perspective of time does not mean that that linearity has any relevance the loop.

There's a few ways to interpret it, I guess. I'd say you only ever see the end result of a time loop, it having gone on infinitely untill it finally settles into a perpetual set of motions which are fixed at all points. It's all monkeys and typewriters. In this case though, the only way to open the box was locked inside the box. If just that bit of the time loop had been ignored and they'd opened the box some other way... Well I'd be complaining harder about other aspects of it, I think. Not really my sort of finale. But I'd be happier about it! Probably.

It's a plain and pure Dues ex which I can't ignore. The set up episode was great becuase it really made you wonder how the hell our heroes would get out of this one. Turns out the writers were wondering the same thing, and in the end, decided they couldn't. Time loop out of nowhere!

[Kim]

Since when are time loops out of nowhere in Who? It's not the first time Moffat has used a stable time loop.

[Steel Shadow]

Not that vital to the plot though. Sure, they might kick 'em off orhelp out in a few ways, but I don't recall a major crisis being resolved soley through their use.