471: And then I died

[MFD]

But we've seen that color text associated with BM before. No, YOU go look for it. It's in the Lich storyline.

Originally Posted by MFD

But we've seen that color text associated with BM before. No, YOU go look for it. It's in the Lich storyline.

Yes, but that's assumed to be the same BM that's talking in 434.

It feels as if you are being purposefully obtuse. Don't people grow up over time? Don't perceptions change? Assuming that fighter is now as he always will be until the end of the entire storyline is exceptionally close-minded. Maybe he won't remember and be enlightened in a snap, that's why it's a correlation, not an absolute. It's related to without necessarilly being the cause of.

You sure are fixated on being stubborn. Open your mind a little.

Could I not say these same things about you? Having an opinion on something and sticking by it isn't any different than what you're doing. So don't try using it against me. Just because my opinion differs from yours and that I have as much logic to back it up as you do your own claims doesn't mean I must be exceedingly stubborn or obtuse. If you're going to make a negative opinion on me, base it on something that doesn't apply to you (and everyone else who's ever stuck to thier opinion) as well.

Over the course of the comic we see one constant attribute: the characters change a little bit over time, but the core of their personality stays the same. For Fighter, the core of his personality (besides a complete and utter obsession for swords, but that seems to have a bit of a link to this as well) is ignorance and blind child-like innocence. It doesn't stand to reason that Bryan would change this one main pillar of Fighter's personality. To say Fighter will become intelligent is like saying Theif is going to give all his riches to the poor, WM is going to become a stripper, or that RM is going to throw down his stat sheet and act logically. It's not going to happen.

[Wetflame]

No... why should it be? Yellow is a good hell king colour AND makes for sense for Chaos. That's why it's yellow, it's not to say ALL The characters will have a complete colour scheme.

And he has Red to White Text. Which kind of indicates a greater sense of nobility.

I'm sure Fighter will always be a bit of a Klutz, but there's no reason why he can't grow enough to have one damn mature conversation, especially when it's obviously such a serious time.

Also, Shiney is a mod, and obviously friend of Brian's (NOT BRYAN). So who will the average reader trust more?

Originally Posted by Wetflame

No... why should it be? Yellow is a good hell king colour AND makes for sense for Chaos. That's why it's yellow, it's not to say ALL The characters will have a complete colour scheme.

And he has Red to White Text. Which kind of indicates a greater sense of nobility.

I'm sure Fighter will always be a bit of a Klutz, but there's no reason why he can't grow enough to have one damn mature conversation, especially when it's obviously such a serious time.

Also, Shiney is a mod, and obviously friend of Brian's (NOT BRYAN). So who will the average reader trust more?

BM's yellow font color had nothing to do with Chaos. In fact, Chaos has white font on a black background. BM's color was probably just chosen because it looked more reminescent of the firey paths of hell. The font color of the Red Speaker has nothing to do with it. Get over it.

Shiney and I are both speaking from personal opinion, not from fact. If Shiney is a friend with Brian or not, it's still just speculation. (Also, if I said Bryan, it's because I have a friend named Bryan and I get the two names mixed up.)

[shiney]

I at least accept that it is a maybe, maybe not situation. You aren't. That's where I am coming from. You seem to assume that there is no chance that fighter could possibly become, gasp, mature and wise.

Who's to say? Maybe the class change will have that sort of effect. Maybe not. But can't you at least concede there is a remote possibility?

Originally Posted by shiney

I at least accept that it is a maybe, maybe not situation. You aren't. That's where I am coming from. You seem to assume that there is no chance that fighter could possibly become, gasp, mature and wise.

Who's to say? Maybe the class change will have that sort of effect. Maybe not. But can't you at least concede there is a remote possibility?

The only argument against the prospect that Fighter may become wise and mature is that he won't become wise and mature. Which I am sure he will not. I still accept that it's just my speculation, and that I can be wrong.

I don't think Brian would let the class change effect it. To make Fighter intelligent is almost like killing off his character all-together. It's taking away his essence.

[Myst]

Just a thought on the whole Red/Yellow text (434?) but couldn't it just as easily be black mage talking to himself? He has done inner monologues in the past, even the occasional inner dialogue, so why couldn't both red and yellow be BM, distinguishing between his different 'voices'?

[Archbio]

To make Fighter intelligent is almost like killing off his character all-together. It's taking away his essence.

I was under the impression that Fighter was more afflicted by ignorance and immaturity than by a true lack of intelligence, both of which can be changed over time. He's probably an absent-minded slow learner too, but that doesn't make him unintelligent.

[Kurosen]

Wait, Swifters thinks that the "Red Speaker" can't be Fighter because the speech is too intelligent/wise?

Like I say at convention panels all the time: "Everyone thinks Fighter is the dumbest character, but he's probably the smartest."

So, yeah.

Originally Posted by Archbio

I was under the impression that Fighter was more afflicted by ignorance and immaturity than by a true lack of intelligence, both of which can be changed over time. He's probably an absent-minded slow learner too, but that doesn't make him unintelligent.

Your basic point is that the core points of Fighter's personality are things that can be changed.

Is this supposed to be news to me?

I'm just saying that to do so is like eradicating Fighter's personality, something that it just doesn't seem like Brian's nature to do.