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Atronflame · 12-30-2003, 09:19 PM

Thats like, claiming the book 'The Two Towers' had something to do with 9/11. PLEASE. I just wonder how this crap gets into people's heads. I know total pot-heads who arent that idiotic.

Demon with a Glass Hand · 12-30-2003, 09:19 PM

Ahh ... erm ... ... ew.

FunnyLooking · 12-30-2003, 09:58 PM

I dunno. It's hard to say what Tolkien really meant. There does seem to be a strange connection, what with the Elephant-like creatures and such. I don't really think anybody's really demeaned by the movie though, because it's still a frickin' fantasy world.

The Devil Himself · 12-30-2003, 10:10 PM

By what's-his-face's logic, I could say "The Wizard of Oz" is attempting to lure our children into the occult world!!

Muffin Mage · 12-30-2003, 10:45 PM

We dursn't allow that! Quick, let's burn every book except the Bible! That way, we can save the world from the corrupting influence of Satan! [/religious fanaticism]

People claimed before that the Lord of the Rings was allegorical of WWII, something that Tolkien himself vociferously denied. If it wasn't an allegory of the past, it certainly couldn't be an allegory of the future.

And, FunnyLooking, the Lord of the Rings was part of the alternate British mythology that Tolkien had been writing for forty-odd years. The end part, actually. The rest was published in a blaze of no observation whatsoever. Posthumously.

Dante · 12-31-2003, 12:31 AM

Alternate Brit mythology? perhaps the Matrix magus could enlighten us?

Illuminatus · 12-31-2003, 01:37 AM

Middle-Earth IS Europe. Haradwaith and Faradwaith and Rhun are the eastern land. If you look at a map of Middle-Earth, especially toward the Fourth Age (Get the Tolkien Atlas-ITS AWESOME) it looks suprisingly like, well, Earth! Also, if you read the Silmarillion (You should) the creation story bears a strong resemblance to the common Bible one. It's not just some fantasy world that Tolkien pulled from thin air. So next time you're near a garden or a park, keep a close watch for hobbits.

Apology for off-topic discussion.

My mom listens to this Christain radio station and when the first one came out, they mentioned that Tolkien was a Christian, then said "But the movie makes references to magic and the occult so you should take note of that" I know people who wont read Harry Potter because he uses magic. WHAT KIND OF WORLD IS THIS WHERE EVERYONE TAKES EVERYTHING SO DAMN SERIOUSLY!?!?!?!!?!?!?!?!?

Dante · 12-31-2003, 02:36 AM

A stupid world. A world where a 13 year old vegetarian girl can walk up to a grown man, knock the hamburger from his hands and lambaste him in public for cruelty to animals.

JoeCB · 12-31-2003, 03:53 AM

and then the grown man can lure the 13 year old into his blue van with some candy.

mmmmm candy.

You are allways going to find people who start things just to start things. Remember how Raciest Lucas is and embedded it in all of his star wars movies?

Mikorlias Zard · 12-31-2003, 06:59 AM

It's true that Middle-Earth does have roots in reality and other mythology and even the Bible. I mean, it has humans in, that's just like real life to start with...

Ae there idiots who think 'The Two Towers' had summat to do with 9/11? Oh sweet mercy how dumb/off their heads are they? The confounded book was written about 50 years before 9/11!

As for the East/West thing, I did notice that, although it may, just may, have something to do with the fact that Germany was east of Britain/America/France (and still is, incidentally). Or it may not. Or it might simply be a sad reflection on the fact that geographical differences cause so much conflict (I live here, you live there, GGRRR! Bush-esque thinking).

What I find worst is the blatant and utter sexism, although that may simply be due to the fact that, in the sort time the book is set (and indeed, to some extent, when the book was written) women were almost universally regarded as inferior, and never got to do any fighting or anything like that. I think it's good how Arwen's part was extended in the film from the book.

'K, that's my rant over.

Mikorlias Zard

12-30-2003, 09:19 PM	#11
Atronflame Addicted to NWN Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Somewhere. Posts: 652	Thats like, claiming the book 'The Two Towers' had something to do with 9/11. PLEASE. I just wonder how this crap gets into people's heads. I know total pot-heads who arent that idiotic. __________________ Havent been here in a long long long long long time.

12-30-2003, 09:19 PM	#12
Demon with a Glass Hand Cyberpunk Detective Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 1,477	Ahh ... erm ... ... ew. __________________ I'm surprised you haven't heard of me. I was kind of a big deal around here.

12-30-2003, 09:58 PM	#13
FunnyLooking Funny Looking Productions Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: In Your House and Coming to Get You Posts: 431	I dunno. It's hard to say what Tolkien really meant. There does seem to be a strange connection, what with the Elephant-like creatures and such. I don't really think anybody's really demeaned by the movie though, because it's still a frickin' fantasy world. __________________ Mirrors Always Lie -Funny Looking Productions Sing me to Symmetry Muse of the Mathematic We worship all equations the simple and quadratic Algebra, Geometry, Set and Number Theory All admired equally In our Purgatory and Pathogorean secret society. -Fermat's Last Tango "The Aftermath

12-30-2003, 10:10 PM	#14
The Devil Himself EVERYTHING MUST DIE!!!!! Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Solar System Posts: 420	By what's-his-face's logic, I could say "The Wizard of Oz" is attempting to lure our children into the occult world!! __________________ I eat children!

12-31-2003, 01:37 AM	#17
Illuminatus The Dread Pirate Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Where the wild things are Posts: 1,310	Middle-Earth IS Europe. Haradwaith and Faradwaith and Rhun are the eastern land. If you look at a map of Middle-Earth, especially toward the Fourth Age (Get the Tolkien Atlas-ITS AWESOME) it looks suprisingly like, well, Earth! Also, if you read the Silmarillion (You should) the creation story bears a strong resemblance to the common Bible one. It's not just some fantasy world that Tolkien pulled from thin air. So next time you're near a garden or a park, keep a close watch for hobbits. Apology for off-topic discussion. My mom listens to this Christain radio station and when the first one came out, they mentioned that Tolkien was a Christian, then said "But the movie makes references to magic and the occult so you should take note of that" I know people who wont read Harry Potter because he uses magic. WHAT KIND OF WORLD IS THIS WHERE EVERYONE TAKES EVERYTHING SO DAMN SERIOUSLY!?!?!?!!?!?!?!?!? __________________ Man, n. An animal so lost in rapturous contemplation of what he thinks he is as to overlook what he indubitably ought to be. His chief occupation is the extermination of other animals and his own species, which, however, multiplies with such insistent rapidity as to infest the whole habitable earth and Canada. -Ambrose Bierce's Devil's Dictionary Last edited by Ih8stupidppl; 12-31-2003 at 01:40 AM.

12-31-2003, 12:31 AM	#16
Dante Sent to the cornfield Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Crushing the weak beneath the iron jackboots of tyranny Posts: 7,703	Alternate Brit mythology? perhaps the Matrix magus could enlighten us?

12-31-2003, 02:36 AM	#18
Dante Sent to the cornfield Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Crushing the weak beneath the iron jackboots of tyranny Posts: 7,703	A stupid world. A world where a 13 year old vegetarian girl can walk up to a grown man, knock the hamburger from his hands and lambaste him in public for cruelty to animals.

12-31-2003, 03:53 AM	#19
JoeCB Former Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Romania Posts: 212	and then the grown man can lure the 13 year old into his blue van with some candy. mmmmm candy. You are allways going to find people who start things just to start things. Remember how Raciest Lucas is and embedded it in all of his star wars movies? __________________ 95% of post detypoed for your reeading pleasure!

12-31-2003, 06:59 AM	#20
Mikorlias Zard Lord of Aardvarks Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: In Elfland, 'course. Posts: 155	It's true that Middle-Earth does have roots in reality and other mythology and even the Bible. I mean, it has humans in, that's just like real life to start with... Ae there idiots who think 'The Two Towers' had summat to do with 9/11? Oh sweet mercy how dumb/off their heads are they? The confounded book was written about 50 years before 9/11! As for the East/West thing, I did notice that, although it may, just may, have something to do with the fact that Germany was east of Britain/America/France (and still is, incidentally). Or it may not. Or it might simply be a sad reflection on the fact that geographical differences cause so much conflict (I live here, you live there, GGRRR! Bush-esque thinking). What I find worst is the blatant and utter sexism, although that may simply be due to the fact that, in the sort time the book is set (and indeed, to some extent, when the book was written) women were almost universally regarded as inferior, and never got to do any fighting or anything like that. I think it's good how Arwen's part was extended in the film from the book. 'K, that's my rant over. Mikorlias Zard __________________ "Magic. Yes, I know you think you know what it is, and how it works. You don't. You're an ignorant fool, just like all the others. You think that magic is a tool, like a hammer, something that you pick up when you need it, swing it around for a while, and put down again when you're done with it." -Khelben Blackstaff Arunsun :bmage: - "Wanna help me ascertain what kind of magical wand I've got?" "It must be a Wand of Fear because I feel like running away!" - :wmage:

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