The Star Trek Movies

[Drooling Iguana]

Originally Posted by Kenryoku_Maxis

And I'm a little perplexed how one could say Generations is better than First Contact. I can see someone not liking Nemesis and DEFINITLY not liking Insurrection, but I think First Contact is much better than Generations. But oh well, I'm not bashing your view.

The first few minutes of Generations (the stuff on the Enterprise-B) were pretty good, but the rest was crap. First Contact, Insurrection and Nemesis, on the other hand, were crap from beginning to end.

[Devon Lake]

1) Star Trek II The Revenge of Khan
2) Star Trek VI the Undiscovered Country
3) Star Trek I the Motion Picture
4) Star Trek V The Final Frontier
5) Star Trek VI The Voyage Home
6) Star Trek III The Search for Spock

I'd just like to say in my personal opinion, the Search for Spock sucked. I mean, that was just so terribly anti-climactic that they bring Spock back after his oh so immense death. Don't get me wrong, I love Spock and he kicks everyone else's ass, but I mean, that really made killing him sort of pointless. It was like a Dragon Ball Z death after that. I mean, if they made Star Wars Episode 7 and brought Obi Wan, Vader, Yoda, and the Emperor back, I swear that would be the last straw, Lucas would have to die.

Oh, and all the other movies suck because it's not the original cast. (TOS) was just so incredibly wacky and stupid; I mean, the gratituous eye candy women, the b-movie grade aliens, the hilarious way computers and robots are portrayed, and the simply bizzare acting... That's what made Star Trek! Everything after that is just bland boring nerd crap.

EDIT: CRAP! Mixed up abbreviations. I meant TOS, not TNG, so I changed it... Ya, for more on tha see below.

Oh ya, and Kirk could kick Picard's ass anywhere, any time.

[Krylo]

Oh ya, and Kirk could kick Picard's ass anywhere, any time.

Well DUH. Picard is an old French man, Kirk is an ass kicking captain who gets at least one alien babe (on average) per episode. But Data could kick the entire original casts ass... so could Q. So nyyyaaah.

Heh... And I do believe I said I liked the original series better... 'boring nerd crap' is only good in movies, b-movie grade aliens, hillarious computers/robots, and the horrible acting are always hillarious, however.

[Drooling Iguana]

Originally Posted by Devon Lake

I'd just like to say in my personal opinion, the Search for Spock sucked. I mean, that was just so terribly anti-climactic that they bring Spock back after his oh so immense death. Don't get me wrong, I love Spock and he kicks everyone else's ass, but I mean, that really made killing him sort of pointless. It was like a Dragon Ball Z death after that. I mean, if they made Star Wars Episode 7 and brought Obi Wan, Vader, Yoda, and the Emperor back, I swear that would be the last straw, Lucas would have to die.

Actually, one of the early drafts of ROTJ involved bringing Obi-Wan back, and the Emporer was brought back in one of the novels or comics (I forget which. He cloned himself and then used the Force to transfer his spirit into the clone when he "died" in ROTJ.)

[Devon Lake]

Spock could kick Data's ass. Data was too screwed up with his Pinnichio complex; Spock meanwhile was a REAL machine. He certaintly wasn't as strong, but he'd figure something out because he's Spock... Probably just flick Data's off switch... As for Q, he's more or less a God, and as we saw in the Final Frontier, Kirk doesn't take any shit from God's...

And boring nerd crap is only good when it's like a foot note to explain to the dullards what the hell is going on. Of course, Star Trek just uses pseudo science so it doesn't understand anyway. All the politics and weird technological and cultural gimmicks just get in the way of what we want to see; Kirk staggering around with a funny expression on his face or a debate between Spock and Bones on whose of the superior race... I never got enough of that.

As for Star Wars... Well I'm glad they didn't screw with the script, and as for the novels, no one really cares. Lucas obviously didn't consider them into the continuity of the Star Wars universe when he made the new movies (Of course, I don't consider the new movies into the continuity of the Star Wars universe.) so it really doesn't matter, and in any case, ya bringing the emperor back would still be anti-climactic... Not that it was climactic anyway, it was Vader who did the real ass kicking.

[Kenryoku_Maxis]

Originally Posted by VideoDrone

It took them 40 minutes to explain the current state of Spock's soul before it actually picked up the pace, and the last half hour was equally slow. Nothing really stood out in this film as was the case for the rest. The best part was when Kirk stole the enterprise, but there were more exciting parts in all the other films.

Which is what I explained is probably the reason you disliked it following what you quoted me on....

Whatever, all that's being talked about now is what people hate. I'm tired of making threads and then all people do is talk about 'I didn't like this' or 'I hate that part of it', making comments like 'its so stupid when 'Kirk always does this every episode'. Well I think its even more stupid that 90% of threads are devoted to people complaining about things and giving their opinions about things they think are stupid while I can hardly get a positive conversation going about anything. It didn't even take 3 posts for some jerk to come in and start saying he 'hates this' and 'hates that'.

I have rebuttals to every single thing that has been said, but I'm tired of doing the run around with all of you. I'm going to just let you guys go at your 'I hate (insert thing about show)' ranting frenzy. Bye.

[Devon Lake]

Well it's kind of hard to go off on a tangent about stuff you like... There's just not that rush of hatred to egg your on. In any case, I did pointy out all the loveable and wacky quirks that make Star Trek (TOS) great. I mean, gambling brains, wanton duels to the death (With Abraham Lincoln Fighting Genghis Khan may I add) and salt vampires... What more do you need?

EDIT: CRAP AND DANG! I Mixed up my abbreviations, I meant TOS is great. It's TNG that sucks... Woo... Ok, so I haven't been watching the reruns lately, but I used to religiously watch 3 episodes of it a day when i was in high school (ARG! I'm so angry I didn't get home early enough to watch TOS.) So ya, I love TOS, and everything else sucks... But in that sort of, I can't look away suck you know? It's boring and stupid, and not TOS, but you still can't look away, especially when the only other thing you have to do is read...

[Krylo]

(With Abraham Lincoln Fighting Genghis Khan may I add)

That was the BEST episode of the original star trek ever. EVER. Actually I think that was the best episode of anything ever. I was flipping through the channels and saw Abraham Lincoln on the bridge of the Enterprise and laughed out loud right then. When I found out it had just started, I was ecstatic. That was hillarious to a degree I can't even begin to describe.

Wow Kenryoku, do you think you're maybe taking this a little personally? I was just explaining why I didn't like the movie, in response to you saying "what's with the lack of Search for Spock love." Notice everyone has said something positive among the negative comments, which shouldn't be construed as negative so much as explaining what they dislike and why. If this bothers you, maybe you should try saying "so what is it you like about your top choices."

I'll go ahead and answer my own question.

I liked the Undiscovered Country best because it was the farewell to the original cast, which to me made it more dramatic. It was probably the most exciting as well. My favorite touch was the death of Chancellor Gorkin. I like Wrath of Khan because Khan was an excellent villian, there were some great lines to come from it, and it was very climactic with the death of Spock. Both films were directed by the same guy Nicholas Meyer.

[Kenryoku_Maxis]

Originally Posted by VideoDrone

If this bothers you, maybe you should try saying "so what is it you like about your top choices."

In effect, I was trying to say that in my first post but trying not to have to make a guideline saying "try to talk more about what you like rather than what you don't since so much on this board is negative." But seriously, look what I had to do to get someone to try to say something they liked primarily, I had to basically say shut up and say something positive (oxymoron there).

In any event, the only thing I have grievances against with the Search for Spock thing is that again, I kinda did say what you said...about it being less action and more about the science and diologue. So, I'm not mad about that. Just don't know if you were trying to make your point as if I hadn't.

In ANY event....it seems half the people (and the ones doing most of the 'hating') have choosen to just ignore what I wrote anyway and just kept going on about their conversation. Just so you know, I did like the Episode with Abraham Lincoln and Ghingis Khan.....but you see, I saw the one from the Original Series. This one where the blob guy recreated them (along with others like Hitler and Caesar) and put Kirk in the middle as a mock fight of 'Good vs Evil'. That one was more interesting than the Next Generation one.

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Anyway. My top choice is Undiscovered Country because I think it has some really good Directing, the best Script and the best Acting. People make fun of William Shatner and hey, not gonna say he's the best. But I have to say, he's pretty ok if not good in Undiscovered Country. The guy who plays Chang is actually a veteran British Shakespere Actor who was also Shatners acting instructor durring the time he was making the Star Trek movies (I think he came on durring Khan). For some knowledge for you.

And for some quirky knowledge I found out a couple weeks ago. In Freakazoid, Khans actor does the voice for 'Giutierrez', Freaks nemesis in a way. And then in Star Trek VI, you have Gorkon...his actor does the voice for the Lobe, Lord Bravery, Cave Guy and a host of other voices. Anyway, I just like all that kind of connecting the actors and voices and stuff.