...Wait... Disney... What?

[Viridis]

The best thing about Disney is that the villains were outlined in bold (song in my head for the past week, making this conversation a weird coincidence) and clearly designed to make small children wet themselves.

I seriously can't see any other motivation. That's just how Disney got their kicks and it was awesome.

Name one Disney villain even close to as terrifying as Scar or Frollo in a recent Disney movie. Or Gaston's death in Tarzan. When was the last time they did something like that?

[Raiden]

Originally Posted by Mauve Mage

Then there's the fact that just about every Disney princess ever (excepting maybe Belle and Jasmine) is horrendously shallow and has a twisted backstory.

-Cinderella is trapped in an abusive family, and due to the social position of women in this particular Disney Fantasyland, is unable to escape said abuse unless she marries. The same principle applies to her two stepsisters, really: Their mother is apparently wealthy, but as a widow she has limited social mobility and really has no source of income aside from whatever her husband left for her. So now her daughters have to compete with their more attractive stepsister Cinderella for their futures, and ultimately, their survival. Things don't look good for them. So there's THAT whole deal. And then Cinderella decides she wants to go to the royal ball to meet the Prince, a random (nameless?? Or did he have a name?) dude who she doesn't know but has money and lives in a pretty sweet castle. Her fairy godmother, WHO HAS MAGICAL POWERS TO SOLVE ALL CINDERELLA'S PROBLEMS BUT ONLY SHOWS UP TO DELIVER A FREAKIN' PAIR OF SHOES rather than help with any of the more important problems, like, I dunno, extensive psychological abuse, rummages through Cinderella's garden and gives her an hour to look pretty and woo the prince.

During said hour, in which Cinderella somehow learns to ballroom dance, the Prince falls madly in love with her and decides he wants to marry her. Well gee, he certainly moves fast. So they're perfectly matched in that they're both shallow enough to fall in love based entirely on looks and (in Cinderella's case) social status. And then the genius Prince decides to track her down USING A SHOE. A SHOE. There's that whole issue right there. He tries the shoe on every freaking woman in the kingdom, so apparently he can't remember what her hair color or her figure or her facial features looked like..... Way to go, idiot. If she's that damn memorable, it must be true love.

So in the end, Cinderella marries the dude she meets ONCE at a party, the widow and her daughters.... really don't get much in the way of punishment, aside from the fact that the daughters are still unmarried and are still trapped with few lifestyle options and an ever-shrinking bank account. The pretty one is rewarded for not standing up for herself during her years of abuse, and the ugly ones are evil because they're ugly and unfit for marriage.

AND THEY ALL LIVED HAPPILY EVER AFTER.



Don't even get me started on Snow White.

....ummm....*pat pat*

That'll do girl. That'll do.

Granted, my extent of enjoying Disney Films were watching fight scenes. I was a young boy, and as such was impervious and even disgusted by scenes of love. Now, the Prince shoving a sword into Maleficent's dragon chest? That was gold.

[Regulus Tera]

Oh lord he said desire what profanity is Disney teaching our kids!

...okay, yeah, maybe that scene was kinda overkill.

Originally Posted by Smarty McBarrelpants

The Hunchback movie didn't even need to be like that. In the book Frollo was barely a villain. But we know what kiddies like! Violence and death and scheming!

You say that as if it were a bad thing.

[CelesJessa]

Originally Posted by Regulus Tera

Oh lord he said desire what profanity is Disney teaching our kids!

...okay, yeah, maybe that scene was kinda overkill.

If by overkill you mean awesome? I always loved the villains songs the best in the movies, they're always so dramatic.

Speaking of villainous songs... I was trying to find Savages to listen to but I keep finding the newer version where instead of "Their whole disgusting race is like a curse" it's "Here's what you get when races are diverse" (Yet they leave in "destroy their evil race, until there's not a trace left")

I think as a rule Disney needs to leave their old movies alone. Every time they add or change things it completely throws me off. This added song makes my Disney-loving heart cry. The original scene was amazing, why change it?

Ah, I'm not a big movie person at all, except when it comes to these old Disney movies, the animation, the music, the stories, they're the best. I really appreciate movies like The Lion King now because of how much they put into the little details, like correct lion-like behaviour (that is mixed so well with the human-added nature of the animation). I would give my right leg to be working at Disney back when they brought in the lion to the studio so that they could learn how to animate them more realistically. It's those little things that make me love old Disney animations.

[Viridis]

At one point, Yzma in the Emperor's New Groove was going to have her own dramatic villain song.

It plays through my head, back to back with Frollo's Hellfire.

[The Wizard Who Did It]

Originally Posted by CelesJessa

If by overkill you mean awesome? I always loved the villains songs the best in the movies, they're always so dramatic.

The villains in old school Disney were all perfectly amoral in perfectly understandable ways. So you could properly hate them and still find them interesting. It's a nice dynamic which I can't seem to find in modern movies/fiction, and it makes me very sad.

With exception to Snow White. Snow White is the most horrible pile of trash I've ever seen, and I'm surprised it was ever considered a classic.

[mauve]

@Mauve: What about Mulan? I mean, she's only barely considered a (TM) (C) (OWNED BY DISNEY DON'T USE IT) Disney Princess (TM) (C) (OWNED BY DISNEY SERIOUSLY, WE WILL END YOU IF YOU INFRINGE ON US), but technically she is one. (Maybe they hide her 'cos she actually does something besides sit and wait for marriage to a suitable prince. I dunno.)

Mulan's a princess? I thought she was just some random lady. I didn't think her family was royalty.

[phil_]

Not a princess, Mauve, a "Disney Princess." There's a difference, one of which is that they needn't be royalty.

[POS Industries]

Originally Posted by Mauve Mage

Mulan's a princess? I thought she was just some random lady. I didn't think her family was royalty.

She's a chick in a Disney movie, and so she's a princess by whatever classification system it is they use.

[Shyria Dracnoir]

Originally Posted by Raiden

....ummm....*pat pat*

That'll do girl. That'll do.

Granted, my extent of enjoying Disney Films were watching fight scenes. I was a young boy, and as such was impervious and even disgusted by scenes of love. Now, the Prince shoving a sword into Maleficent's dragon chest? That was gold.

*grumble mumble* cheap shot, that was *grump* >.=.<

Also, has anyone heard of the latest stink around "The Princess and the Frog"? Something about keeping the prince white even though the 'princess' as it were, is black? I swear, I saw an article about this recently either on MSN, Aol, or Yahoo news but I don't remember exactly where.