North Korea test fires long range rocket.

[Meister]

Originally Posted by Discussion Rules

Threads should be titled descriptively. Something like "This is so wrong!" doesn't tell anybody what the thread is about

Yo.

... looking at the first page this is actually a pretty widespread thing, so we'll have to have more of an eye on thread titles here from now on.

EDIT: Original thread title: "No they di'ant!" Just for future reference since I'm gonna edit it now.

[Funka Genocide]

if we were going to waste time and lives invading somewhere for the purposes of spreading democratic freedom, we should have started with North Korea.

Iraq and Afghanistan were a bunch of underfed asshats with world war 2 surplus rifles. North Korea are a bunch of underfed asshats with world war 2 surplus nukes.

not to mention all the attrocities commited against the north korean people by their leaders at least break even with the bullshit sadam and the taliban were up to.

ah well, chickens coming home to roost and such.

[Pip Boy]

Originally Posted by Funka Genocide

if we were going to waste time and live invading somewhere for the purposes of spreading democratic freedom, we should have started with North Korea.

Iraq and Afghanistan were a bunch of underfed asshats with world war 2 surplus rifles. North Korea are a bunch of underfed asshats with world war 2 surplus nukes.

not to mention all the attrocities commited against the north korean people by their leaders at least break even with the bullshit sadam and the taliban were up to.

ah well, chickens coming home to roost and such.

I'm not for the invasion of countries for reasons of spreading democracy nearly as much as I am for the invasion of countries for "Holy shit, they're building nukes and blatantly lying to the international community about it."

[Funka Genocide]

I was being facetious, translated into something more straightforward it would read something like:

Instead of making a bare-faced grab for resources with a flimsy excuse, we should have used our military forces to neutralize a real potential threat, using similar flimsy excuses.

[Jagos]

There's this big thing called China which N. Korea answers to...

I have this idea in my head we focused on the middle east because the idea of terrorism is what we want to prevent from spreading. The idea of communism working on a grand scale (as it did for Russia and China) keeps us working to contain N. Korea, prevent nukes from coming out of there, and keep MAD enforced.

Kinda hard when NK doesn't care about itself though.

[shiney]

Don't be facetious in discussion then Erick, it keeps backfiring. It is for serious discussion...this isn't a warning or even like a mod-fuck you, just, people keep misinterpreting your facetiousness so it obviously isn't working.

That said, the probable reason the US and such haven't invaded NK is that Japan & China wouldn't like it (and they concern us more than the other countries in the middle east), and the fact that we don't have vested financial interests in the region or country. We have allies, but they are allies who determine how policy goes down there. We're the guy who leans out from behind Japan and shakes our fist going "Yeeeeaaaah." but if Japan says we're not attacking then we're not attacking.

Meanwhile in Iraq there's nobody who says "Don't attack" and we wouldn't listen anyways because of the interests we have in place. Nevermind that NK is far more of a threat because their leader, instead of lying and saying "We don't have anything go ahead and look", is saying "We have stuff, we're testing long range missiles, and we've proven we are crazy jackasses".

Honestly the US and them need to get a better grip on their priorities, North Korea will be the big problem country and if they ever dare to try any funny business you know they will get annihilated this time. The Korean war went semi-well for them, the second Korean war would result in the absolute topple of the Kim Il-Jong regime.

Is my guess.

[POS Industries]

Originally Posted by Funka Genocide

if we were going to waste time and lives invading somewhere for the purposes of spreading democratic freedom, we should have started with North Korea.

That is, in fact, specifically where we did start and why the large share of this is even happening today.

When they call it "The Forgotten War," they ain't kidding.

[Jagos]

We invaded the Korean peninsula. China interfered. We have a divide of communism in the North and capitalism in the south. Fifty years later, South Korea is a rival to Japan in terms of GNP. N. Korea barely has enough resources for its people and its government.

If we're going to have peace there, you have to look at who's the big dogs in the yard and make them play. That's China and Japan, not the US. Though N. Korea wants to talk to us more, it's damn near impossible without China coming to say "we want this buffer zone."

[Professor Smarmiarty]

The reason Korea hasn't been invaded to put in democracy is the same region everywhere else far worse than Iraq and Afghanistan weren't invaded, they have no resources the US were interested in.
And China has plenty of interests in North Korea so would oppose anybody trying to invade.
Just like the last time the US tried it.

And unless say all the other world powers give up full details of all thier nuclear programmes and thier armaments I can hardly see the argument against North Korea.
I mean Israel still hasn't admitted to all the nukes they are stockpiling and they have shown a continual aggressive intent against local arab peoples and nobody is demanding Israel comes clean and abandons all its weapon. Israel is actually using its army to attack foreign peoples which North Korea aren't doing to the same extent.
The US is the source of much of the nuclear technology of Israel so they are being completely hypocritical if they are to criticise North Korea.

[Kepor]

Originally Posted by Jagos

There's this big thing called China which N. Korea answers to...

China's influence on North Korea is often overestimated. Despite the fact that N.K. is basically reliant on China to survive, N.K. often goes against China's preferences. N.K.'s nuclear weapons program is a marked example.