Shiney - Asshole or shitface

[CelesJessa]

Due to Demon's request to post the final chatlog between Otaku and I, I decided to post it. Keep in mind, I was pretty much arguing to argue, and I know my logic isn't that great. (not one of my proudest moments, usually I can just walk away from an arguement but, hey) But nevertheless, here it is in unedited glory. (to protect the innocent?) Looking over it now, I see both of us really had no clue on what we were talking about. BUT I did manage to piss him off so... go me?

(part 1 of two, I hope it's okay if I double post. T_T the chat log was too big)

Cidloufious: Still working on it?
CelesJessa87: just chatting with lots of people
Cidloufious: -Sniff-
CelesJessa87: well you weren't talking, or else I would be chatting with you
Cidloufious: I was AFK, in case you didn't see my status.
CelesJessa87: well I know
CelesJessa87: but, what's why you weren't talking
Cidloufious: Okay, fine, let's chat.
CelesJessa87: ok
Cidloufious: I like hentai.
CelesJessa87: I know you do. I like music.
Cidloufious: I know you do. Why do you like music?
CelesJessa87: because, I like singing and dancing to it
Cidloufious: So you play DDR?
Cidloufious: Or KR(Karoke Revolution)?
CelesJessa87: DDR
Cidloufious: There you go! That's the problem right there.
Cidloufious: DDR is for losers.
CelesJessa87: no it isn't
CelesJessa87: it's very fun
Cidloufious: Just because it's fun doesn't mean it's not for losers
CelesJessa87: but it's not for losers
Cidloufious: Yes it is.
CelesJessa87: why is it for losers?
Cidloufious: The Olypics are for losers, too, you know that?
Cidloufious: Why is it for losers? Because most people who play DDR suck at all other games.
Cidloufious: Why? Because they're gymnists, not gamers.
CelesJessa87: what if they don't suck at all other games?
CelesJessa87: I don't suck at all other games
Cidloufious: Keyword emphasis: most
CelesJessa87: are you sure?
CelesJessa87: have you done research?
Cidloufious: Yep.
Cidloufious: Yep.
CelesJessa87: because most people I know who play DDR are great gamers
Cidloufious: Let me ask you this: How good are they at DDR compared to their other games?
Cidloufious: Gymnists spend their time doing aerobics. Thus, they can rank in high scores on DDR, but suck at other games.
Cidloufious: Likewise, the typical gamer is lazy and can't play DDR as good.
CelesJessa87: they are great at both DDR and other games
Cidloufious: Are you sure? How long before they get exhausted from playing DDRMax?
CelesJessa87: depends what song
Cidloufious: And how many people do you know?
CelesJessa87: say if we were playing MAX300, that would get us tired sooner
Cidloufious: As opposed to the typical gymnist?
CelesJessa87: how soon would a gymnist get tired?
CelesJessa87: playing DDR isn't like doing cartwheels
Cidloufious: Not as quickly.
Cidloufious: No, but the gymnit is more physically endurable.
Cidloufious: gymnist*
Cidloufious: Or hell, pro dancers, even.
CelesJessa87: well, I've been dancing for 12 years, should I be getting tired as quickly as a gymnist then?
Cidloufious: Key emphasis: pro
Cidloufious: And why woul a gymnist tire quickly?
Cidloufious: Let me ask you this: do you tire as "quickly" as a gymnist?
CelesJessa87: because, just because you are good at something doesn't mean you don't get exhausted
Cidloufious: I'm quite aware of this, but endurance makes you get exhausted not as fast.
CelesJessa87: true
CelesJessa87: but jsut becasue they don't get exausted at DDR as quickly as other gamers doesn't mean they can't play other games well
Cidloufious: Look, I sat on my ass playing video games all summer. I'm going back to school and I have to walk all over campus; I get tired very quickly.
Cidloufious: I know in a couple weeks, after walking around campus a lot, I will regain my endurance.
Cidloufious: Someone who's going to be a gymnist is going to devote a lot of time to that profession, whereas someone who's going to be a gamer will devote a lot of time to that profession.
Cidloufious: Hell, you haven't even played Brave Fencer Musashi!
CelesJessa87: what I haven't played isn't a matter of how good I am
CelesJessa87: and even if you devote a lot of time to one thing
CelesJessa87: it doesn't mean you can't be good at something you don't devote yourself to as much
Cidloufious: Being good and just being awesome are two different things.
Cidloufious: The more time you spend at something, the better you get; practice makes perfect.
Cidloufious: Even among video gamers, there's the different leagues. Same with sports.
CelesJessa87: I thought the arguement was that they would "suck" at gaming, now it's not good enough to just be good?
Cidloufious: Is someone who spends all their free time playing baseball going to be good at football? Or even have the body for wrestling?
Cidloufious: I'm getting there.
CelesJessa87: there are some things that tie together that you might not realize.
Cidloufious: If you're awesome at DDR, then there's two reasons why: One. You're a gymnist or dancer or some sort, Two. All you do is DDR. Either way, you're not devoting time to other games thus you're sucking at other games, thus you're a loser.
CelesJessa87: such as, even though I don't play video games every waking hour, I'm good at them because I'm good at strategizing, and I have good eye-hand coordination
Cidloufious: You can try and balance the two, but there will be decay in both.
Cidloufious: Oh, come on, playing DDR with a controller?
Cidloufious: Lame!
Cidloufious: There's no point beind DDR if you're using a controller.
Cidloufious: I'm typing about the dance pag.
Cidloufious: dance pad.*
CelesJessa87: I'm not talking about using the controller
Cidloufious: Outside of RPGs and DDR, what games have you played?
CelesJessa87: tons
CelesJessa87: I've been playing games since before I can remember
Cidloufious: What?
Cidloufious: Let's look at the simplicity of some games.
Cidloufious: RPGs, the only thought required is to solve the puzzles. Really.
CelesJessa87: I don't only play RPGs
Cidloufious: Old-school Mario games...jump. Big deal. That's simply.
Cidloufious: Old-school fighting games take a lot of practice, however.
CelesJessa87: like killer instinct?
Cidloufious: Before KI even!
Cidloufious: Art of Fighting, King of Fighters.
Cidloufious: Street Fighter.
CelesJessa87: okay street fighter
CelesJessa87: I've played that
Cidloufious: Street Fighter. Not Street Fighter II.
CelesJessa87: CelesJessa87: okay street fighter
CelesJessa87: I've played that
CelesJessa87: a long time ago
Cidloufious: And tell me it wasn't a nuisance truthfully.
CelesJessa87: it was, because you had to learn the moves and such, but you could learn
Cidloufious: What moves?
Cidloufious: There was just jump, punch, and kick.
Cidloufious: And crouch, left, and right.
CelesJessa87: ah I was getting the games confused, there's usually special moves in fighting games
Cidloufious: Exactly. You have not played Street Fighter.
Cidloufious: You played Street Fighter II.
CelesJessa87: I have to, It's jsut been a long time
Cidloufious: There was no fierce punch, mid punch, weak punch, and the same for kicks.
CelesJessa87: I'm sorry if I can't accurately document every single game I've played
Cidloufious: Thus, you suck.
Cidloufious: Even then, SF was nothing compared to Art of Fighting.
CelesJessa87: okay, because I can't remember 100% of the 100 some games I have, I suck?
Cidloufious: Sure, why not? An I have a hard time believing you have an arcade console, ince you don't have $500 to buy one.
CelesJessa87: I don't own street fighter
Cidloufious: Like IHMN and Mario Bros.
Cidloufious: Exactly.
Cidloufious: CelesJessa87: okay, because I can't remember 100% of the 100 some games I have, I suck?
Cidloufious: Yet, you confess to not having Street Fighter.
CelesJessa87: why should I remember street figher if I can't remember the games I own
Cidloufious: That's not really my problem, is it?
CelesJessa87: you're acting like it is
Cidloufious: How is it my problem?
Cidloufious: You don't remember those games because...why? Because you haven't played them for a while. You've rusted.
CelesJessa87: because you're acting like it's a mortal sin if I can't remember them
Cidloufious: Then it's your problem; you're committing the sin.
CelesJessa87: big deal I can't remember every game I've played, I only remember aspects of my favorite ones
Cidloufious: Exactly. You're like an otaku who can't remember anime.
CelesJessa87: do you rememebr every anime you've every seen?
CelesJessa87: or just the best ones?
CelesJessa87: your favorites
Cidloufious: I remember the sucky ones, too.
CelesJessa87: down to a detail?
Cidloufious: X the movie. Garbage. Horrible. The setting was far too dark throughout the whole film, and no character development was made.
Cidloufious: The two biggest characters are killed right off.
Cidloufious: Don't even look to be important to the plot.
Cidloufious: Then all of a sudden, this kid with a sword shows up and starts bashing things.
CelesJessa87: have you ever seen sailor moon?
Cidloufious: His best friend's sister is taken away somewhere, and his best friend goes afgter her.
Cidloufious: Indeed I have.
CelesJessa87: alright, indulge me with some details
Cidloufious: Usagi, otherwise known as Serena in the States, is a teenager who goes o high school with Ami...
Cidloufious: to*
Cidloufious: and Lita, as Jupiter is known in the States.
CelesJessa87: what's lita's japanese name?
Cidloufious: Should I know if I've only seen SM on CN?
CelesJessa87: well you knew Serena's japanese name
Cidloufious: Should I know if I'e only seen SM on CN?
Cidloufious: I've*
Cidloufious: Should I know?

[CelesJessa]

(sorry again about the double posting, feel free to delete it or something I'm out of line)

(part 2 of 2)

CelesJessa87: should you know Serena's if you've only seen it on CN?
Cidloufious: No. Should I know Lita's Japanese name if I've only seen it on CN?
Cidloufious: You're evading my question.
CelesJessa87: no,
Cidloufious: In any event, I do know her name. It's Makoto.
CelesJessa87: what was sailor moon's first transformation phrase?
Cidloufious: Usagi turns into Sailor Moon when the Daemon attack, female humanoids made from inanimate objects.
Cidloufious: Ask me if I've seen all of Sailor Moon.
CelesJessa87: her first transformation phrase
CelesJessa87: PHRASE
Cidloufious: Ask me if I've seen all of Sailor Moon.
CelesJessa87: have you seen all of sailor moon?
Cidloufious: No. Maybe I was watching it for ten minutes and decided it was trash enough.
CelesJessa87: yet you know all of their names?
Cidloufious: Maybe I know just from stumbling across fansites or hentai sites.
CelesJessa87: ah
Cidloufious: You're presuming things and this in no way relates to DDRers sucking.
Cidloufious: Needless to say, Sailor Moon would be one anime I'm weak in.
Cidloufious: Ask me if I care.
CelesJessa87: yeah I was going to bring up what does this have to do with dDR
CelesJessa87: *DDR
Cidloufious: The fact it smells and DDRers do, too?
Cidloufious: smells=sucks
CelesJessa87: ah, so they smell now?
Cidloufious: Yeah, like stink.
CelesJessa87: like, I stink?
Cidloufious: You sweat when you play DDR, don't you?
CelesJessa87: yes
Cidloufious: Exactly.
CelesJessa87: but you already said you meant smells=sucks
Cidloufious: Geese Howard: Predictable!
Cidloufious: As in a word change in that sentence.
Cidloufious: It wasn't like I was correcting a typo.
CelesJessa87: I know, but if you meant smells as in sucks, then it has nothign to do with the stench
Cidloufious: Maybe I didn't.
Cidloufious: Maybe, as I stated, I was changing the words of the sentence.
CelesJessa87: ah
Cidloufious: Maybe I decided that "smells" wasn't the word I sought.
CelesJessa87: ah
CelesJessa87: so what does sweating have to do with anything now?
Cidloufious: Read, again.
Cidloufious: Cidloufious: Maybe, as I stated, I was changing the words of the sentence.
Cidloufious: Cidloufious: As in a word change in that sentence.
Cidloufious: It wasn't like I was correcting a typo.
Cidloufious: Cidloufious: Maybe I decided that "smells" wasn't the word I sought.
CelesJessa87: I know, but what does sweating have to do with anything? you weren't correcting anything when you said "You sweat when you play DDR, don't you?"
Cidloufious: Would you rather I typed, "Get back on fuckin' topic you dumb bitch"?
Cidloufious: Or I anwered your damn question?
CelesJessa87: wow because I didn't tell you to get back on toopic you dumb bitch when you were getting off on how video gamers not remembering age old games is like a otaku not remembering anime
Cidloufious: Because I was going somewhere with that.
Cidloufious: That was related to the topic.
CelesJessa87: I was trying to see where you were going with the "stinking"
CelesJessa87: it's not like I was trying to go off subject
Cidloufious: And apparently I wasn't wanting to go anywhere since I decided for a different choice of wording.
CelesJessa87: alright I was just clarifying because I was confused with why you said what
Cidloufious: It should have been as if my original message read: "That it sucks and DDRers do, too?"
Cidloufious: But now, you just took it out of proportion.
Cidloufious: no,*
CelesJessa87: I took it out of proportion?
Cidloufious: Yes, and now you're going away from the original "DDR is for losers" subject.
CelesJessa87: ok, then go back to the loser subject
Cidloufious: CelesJessa87: yeah I was going to bring up what does this have to do with dDR
CelesJessa87: *DDR
Cidloufious: The fact it smells and DDRers do, too?
Cidloufious: smells=sucks
CelesJessa87: get back on subject we're past this, unless you want to still fight over what was said that doesn't matter
Cidloufious: Well you seem to have been wanting to find a way to tie SM to DDR.
CelesJessa87: no, I was tying SM to remembering animes, to remembering video games to the suckyness of DDR
Cidloufious: And I admit that SM is not one of my strong points when it comes to anime. As I was pointing out, people suck at things they have little to no experience in.
CelesJessa87: and. DDRers have little experience in video games?
Cidloufious: This goes right back to square one.
Cidloufious: If DDR players are awesome, then there's one of two possiblities. Do you remember them?
CelesJessa87: most professional dances and such would not be playing DDR
CelesJessa87: they would be dancing on a stage
Cidloufious: Thus they really suck at video games, don't they?
CelesJessa87: so most all people who play dDR are gamers
CelesJessa87: therfore making them not such
CelesJessa87: *suck
Cidloufious: But are they good?
CelesJessa87: yes, those who have good rhythem
Cidloufious: And how do they get that rythm?
Cidloufious: By playing DDR.
Cidloufious: And by neglecting other video games.
CelesJessa87: some people are born with a natural talent with rhythem
CelesJessa87: some are in band
CelesJessa87: some are in choice
CelesJessa87: *choir
CelesJessa87: some just have a knack for it
Cidloufious: And thus they are not good gamers.
Cidloufious: They are loser gamers.
Cidloufious: http://dictionary.reference.com/search?r=2&q=rhythm
CelesJessa87: I'm good at video games and DDR
CelesJessa87: just because you are good at one thing doesn't make you bad at something else
Cidloufious: And yet you exhaust faster than someone with a lot of physical endurance.
Cidloufious: Why? Because the person with a lot of physical endurance takes the time to be physically endurable.
CelesJessa87: just because I focus a lot of time into drawing with a pencil doesn't mean I can't do sculptures
CelesJessa87: and I don't take time to be physically endurable?
Cidloufious: Can you do them well?
Cidloufious: Anyone can do anything.
Cidloufious: You already pointed out you don't remember much about the old games.
Cidloufious: Why?
Cidloufious: Because you're rusty.
Cidloufious: You haven't spent time with them.
CelesJessa87: just because I don't remember them, doesn't mean I wouldn't still be able to kick somebody's ass in them
Cidloufious: Are you sure about that?
CelesJessa87: I remember games I've most recently played better
CelesJessa87: yes I am
CelesJessa87: I am quite good at fighting games.
Cidloufious: Because you've spent time with them recently.
CelesJessa87: what about games at the arcade? I can't play those all the time, but I rule in dead or alive
Cidloufious: Fighting games as a whole and individual games are two different things.
Cidloufious: Are you sure you rule? The computer AI is not very difficult.
CelesJessa87: I beat pretty much anyone that challenges me there
Cidloufious: Here, do a search on Google for WinMugen, download it, then download a character named "General" and install him to the WinMugen database.
Cidloufious: Play against him.
CelesJessa87: my computer isn't that good
Cidloufious: Well they're all a bunch of DDR players who suck to begin with.
Cidloufious: WinMugen can be run on Windows 95.
CelesJessa87: they aren't they're regular gamers
Cidloufious: With a P2.
Cidloufious: And they obviously either A. Suck at fighting games or B. Aren't as good as you.
Cidloufious: In either case, someone has they upper hand, don't they
Cidloufious: ?
Cidloufious: Thus proving my point that spending time with one hing will raise your stats there, but lower them elsewhere.
CelesJessa87: no, because usually it's my brothers and they are wonderful gamers
CelesJessa87: and they don't play DDR
Cidloufious: Thus they suck at DDR.
Cidloufious: And again, they can be good gamers t one thing, but suck in another genre.
Cidloufious: How good are you at King of Fighters?
CelesJessa87: I've never played king of fighters
Cidloufious: So you probably suck.
CelesJessa87: I wasn't talking about how they play DDR, I was talking about how I play DDR, and I'm still good at other games
Cidloufious: God damn it. I'm getting tired of arguing this same fucking bullshit in circles.
CelesJessa87: me too
CelesJessa87: you seem to be getting quite worked up over a little debate over DDR
CelesJessa87: and since we both seem to have taken this arguement a little too far, I think we should lay off for a little big. Cool down, shall we say
CelesJessa87: so we don't both end up seeming like completel assholes
Cidloufious signed off at 10:26:42 PM.

[Skyshot]

Holy...cow...

I have never played DDR and the idea doesn't really interest me as an individual, but...I...*sputter* What is wrong with this guy?

I can safely say I'm pretty objective. Especially about personal preferences about things like video games and noninteractive-type fiction. Where does this idiot get the idea he's the central axis for personal preference? This isn't a moral issue; it's not black and white. The world is not divided up into People Who Share Your Interests and People Who Are Losers.

Before, I kind of wondered what it was like back when he was active, but suddenly, I'm glad I missed out on the Otaku Son days. All Albuquerque would've had to suffer to ensure he was eliminated.

[IHateMakingNames]

If I ever want to feel smart, I am going to IM Otaku and argue with him about any subject.


Though, one thing confuses me about your last conversation with him.

Cidloufious: Like IHMN and Mario Bros.

I can't quite figure out why he included this line, and what it means. I onyl care because I am in it, for some reason.



Edit - Also, Otaku claimed Snake could beat Samus and Megaman X at the same time, not just Samus.

[Viktor Von Russia]

Hm. Was this guy seriously like this, or is he one of those people who sign on to forums just to purposely piss people off? It's hard for me to fathom what kind of sick individual acts like this every hour of the day. I kind of wish I participated more during the Otaku era.

Jeez. Just...jeez.

[P-Sleazy]

Originally Posted by Celes

CelesJessa87: and since we both seem to have taken this arguement a little too far, I think we should lay off for a little big. Cool down, shall we say
CelesJessa87: so we don't both end up seeming like completel assholes

That was remarkably generous of you Celes. You didn't come off as an asshole in that debate at all. If anyone said that about Otaku it would be a lie. A LIE I TELL YOU!

RIP days of Otaku. Let us remember you again as the insinuating genuis of stupidity that has yet to be surpassed.

PS, What did Wandering Wombat do to get banned?

[The Kneumatic Pnight]

Originally Posted by B_real_shadows

PS, What did Wandering Wombat do to get banned?

Making points in the most caustic, abbrasive, and argumentative ways he could.

Though the last nail in his coffin was ban-dodging.

Repeatedly.

[phil_]

Wombat ban-dodged. Thus, he was perma-banned. I think he was banned for saying all Muslims or all Middle-easterners are terrorists.

And he has kids...

[Kikuichimonji]

Celes, I feel for you so very much. So very, very, very much. I'm just so speechless that I can't really say anything else, other than asshole does not begin to describe what I just saw.

Edit: Apparently two other people wanted to answer the same question I did >.>

[Krylo]

KP: You missed the first one.

Which was only three, and they were

Shiney - Asshole or Shitface?

Asshole-
Shitface-
Both-

I can't remember the numbers, but before it got changed, both was at 67.5% or so (67.something, anyway). At least the last time I saw it.