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Unread 01-27-2006, 05:13 PM   #221
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Inbred, you raise a good point, but even if this is a mafia influenced vote,it's still possible that jer is the SK, which, so far as I have seen, is the argument that everybody has been making.

The serial killer would logically be a killemall type of character, and Jer was tossing votes around at random earlier, saying that he wanted to get things moving.

EDIT: plus, I find it suspicious that he was on earlier today but he didn't try to punch any holes in our arguments, almost as though he knows the jig is up and anything he can do at this point will only dig him in deeper.
Beware Newb. You may be doing the same thing we did to you last game. You weren't to involved and when you were in it you got lynched for over agressiveness. That's what's happening here and I don't want another situation like that. I'm quite sure this is out of my hands at the moment, but I just think that him being over protaganistic is the only reason we have a game going at this point. You kinda seem like the Psycho Mantis of the game here. I'm not saying your points are invalid, just have a possibility of coming back on you.
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Unread 01-27-2006, 05:26 PM   #222
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The difference is, though, that every point made against me was made after I left. Also, everything I did was in response to suspicious actions from other people. For a while Kiku looked suspicious, and so I had FoSed him, but then Psycho really drew my attention and I voted. Here, Jer is tossing votes around at people who really haven't done anything suspicious, apparently in the hopes that somebody would die.

And I am by no means telling people how they should vote the way Psycho was.

I am simply stating why I am making the vote that I am making, in the hopes that people will vote the same way.

I'm not forcing anybody.

We can always wait it out and then the person with the most votes is lynched.

Anybody who wants to change their vote, whether it be from or to Jer, go ahead and do so.

And if it turns out that Jer really was a townie, then so be it. He will have accomplished what he said he was trying to do, which was draw suspicious people out into the open.

If he is a townie, then we will look at how everyone voted.

Not who they voted for, but how they did so.

That was a major mistake I saw last game; people just saying everyone who voted for a particular person was suspicious or not suspicious, not paying attention to the wordings of votes, the spoken intentions, or the given explanations and reasonings.

If you'll recall, a majority of the mafia slipped under the radar last game simply because of who they voted for, despite the fact that if you looked at the circumstances surrounding their vote, things didn't quite add up.

But I'm getting to rambling now, and in any case this speech will be more useful if I give it tomorrow(subjective)
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Unread 01-27-2006, 05:32 PM   #223
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Ah yes, the vote for their own leader ploy. I loved it so much. But back on topic. If he does draw suspicious people in the open then the most liable if jer be innocent would be Neyo for hid super bandwaggoning, You for how convicted you were to kill jer and how you swayed th vote. If he be guilty then I would be on top of the list for what seemed like defending him. That is how I feel the suspicions would go. Once it happens I look forward to seeing how you react Newb.
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Unread 01-27-2006, 05:47 PM   #224
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anyway, if nobody is likely to be changing their votes any time soon, let's all start drawing up our suspicion tables.

and if anybodies suspicion table just looks like a copy of the vote records, automatic FoS on them.

it's simple, if Jer turns up town aligned, who are you suspicious of? If Jer turns up mafia aligned, who are you suspicious of? If Jer turns up as a special role, who are you suspicious of?
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Unread 01-27-2006, 07:21 PM   #225
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Listen, I know Jer is innocent. But the point I'm trying to make is how convincing he is. He is not mafia because he is throwing his vote around willy-nilly, so that leaves townie. Now, if he told you that there was 3400056212 stars in the universe, in the same format as his previous posts, and if PM told you the same thing in his style of posting, who would you believe? I dought I would believe jer if he said anything, but he is one more townie vote against a mafia, and he will not be leading any charges against other townies. He is just an extra vote on our side.
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Unread 01-27-2006, 07:36 PM   #226
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If he's just throwing his votes around willy-nilly, doesn't that mean he potentially could be lead a charge against a townie?

Jer: [randomperson] is acting funny.
[another randomperson]: You're right!

[another randomperson] may then decide to vote for [randomperson] and then it may snowball from there.
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Unread 01-27-2006, 08:15 PM   #227
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At this point I don't think anyone will listen to jer. He has acted recklessly enough to the point where all he can do is bandwagon. It just seems a waste to hit him. I'm still holding all the previous accusations on Neyo and if anyone wants to listen I'll be glad to repeat. Once again jer has no significance unless he makes a good point later on and lynching him is a waste unless you truly believe he is the SK, and in that case then keep your vote for someone who has the highest mafiate like activity. Neyo.
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Unread 01-27-2006, 08:18 PM   #228
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At this point I don't think anyone will listen to jer. He has acted recklessly enough to the point where all he can do is bandwagon. It just seems a waste to hit him. I'm still holding all the previous accusations on Neyo and if anyone wants to listen I'll be glad to repeat. Once again jer has no significance unless he makes a good point later on and lynching him is a waste unless you truly believe he is the SK, and in that case then keep your vote for someone who has the highest mafiate like activity. Neyo.
You do realize that if Neyo is killed and found innocent, you will be next, right?

Right now jer is the biggest threat. Even if he is only useful for bandwagoning, you do know how dangerous that is, because that leads to snowball effects towards the death of townies.
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Unread 01-27-2006, 08:19 PM   #229
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At this point I don't think anyone will listen to jer. He has acted recklessly enough to the point where all he can do is bandwagon. It just seems a waste to hit him. I'm still holding all the previous accusations on Neyo and if anyone wants to listen I'll be glad to repeat. Once again jer has no significance unless he makes a good point later on and lynching him is a waste unless you truly believe he is the SK, and in that case then keep your vote for someone who has the highest mafiate like activity. Neyo.
Different side, what if he's the cult master, or a member of the cult? He doesn't have to be the SK to want people to just randomly die. All the cultists want is for their own to survive, which in this case numbers as one person. He could be just as blod thirsty now as he would be later. In fact, he could show 'improvement' later on when the cultists number enough that he wants to keep many people alive.
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Unread 01-27-2006, 08:20 PM   #230
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I'd like to hear your reasons for vothing Neyo. Only thing I got was bandwagoning, and taking examples from the last game. Which, by the way, doesn't seem all that bad. Even if the Mafia won last game, it gives something to work off of.

So, I'm listening.
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