My Little Pony: Friendship is Mafia - Page 28

Gregness · 09-27-2011, 01:50 PM

Also, Karesh there is one minor detriment to you revealing yourself. Since Fluttershy can't be converted, there was always the possibility of the Cult wasting a conversion attempt on you, but there's little hope of that now.

Karrrrrrrrrrrresche · 09-27-2011, 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Solid Snake

Strangely enough no one really has enunciated any of my personal objections to Sifright's behavior. Though I almost hope someone other than Karesh actually is Fluttershy, claims Fluttershy, and we can kill Sifright here and now (possibly Karesh as well, though I'd think it's equally possible, and in fact would be strategically smart, if Karesh as a non-Fluttershy Townie claimed Fluttershy just to catch Sifright in the lie.)

But really while Karesh and Sifright's quarrel has been intriguing, there's a lot more basic and fundamental things that Sifright has said and done that sound off alarm bells for me.

I wouldn't really call it a quarrel as Sif and me don't have a disagreement. I personally hold the opinion he's being inexperienced in handling his role, but is honestly presenting what he's been given.

I'm only offering contention when people suggest that there's no way to suspect him, or even me for that matter. That sort of lowered guard combined with a partially inactive town is what allowed Fenris and his crew to so easily push the town into oblivion last game.

Geminex · 09-27-2011, 01:53 PM

Yeah, me too.
I looked at the process again, and it seems a lot like cold reading. Sif giving information, waiting for Karesh's response and then 'confirming' that response. Very fishy.

Plus, ti seems weird that Sif would know the character but not the role. Is that kind of thing normal in mafia?

Solid Snake · 09-27-2011, 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Geminex

Yeah, me too.
I looked at the process again, and it seems a lot like cold reading. Sif giving information, waiting for Karesh's response and then 'confirming' that response. Very fishy.

Plus, ti seems weird that Sif would know the character but not the role. Is that kind of thing normal in mafia?

It should also be reiterated at this juncture that assuming the Mafia have Safe Roles, a halfway decent host is going to almost inevitably do the same thing I did in Homestuck, which is ensure that at least one or more of the most popular Elements of Harmony characters are available options for Scum to claim, and then attempt to avoid all suspicion with. (I did this with Rose and Dave and Vriska in Homestuck Mafia.)

Actually I know for a fact Fenris would do that, as we had a conversation long before even my Homestuck Mafia game on that very subject (not specific to this game, but regarding his preferences as host.) META LOGIC FOR THE WIN.

Gregness · 09-27-2011, 02:02 PM

Sorry Snake, but can you say that again, but slower for the n00bs (i.e. me).

Basically, what do you mean by Safe Roles? My intuition would be something along the lines of "a role that is possible, but not actually assigned to anyone so that it's possible for someone to claim it without dispute." Do I have that about right?

Karrrrrrrrrrrresche · 09-27-2011, 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Gregness

Sorry Snake, but can you say that again, but slower for the n00bs (i.e. me).

Basically, what do you mean by Safe Roles? My intuition would be something along the lines of "a role that is possible, but not actually assigned to anyone so that it's possible for someone to claim it without dispute." Do I have that about right?

I think in this context he means an extra role a mafiate or other scum might have.

In this example lets just say for whatever reason you're a mafiate. But you also might have a secondary role or ability. To protect someone, investigate a role, stuff like that.

Though I think usually such abilities take on the form of single use powers.

Sifright · 09-27-2011, 02:05 PM

I think I explained my actions pretty throughly about why i went through that process. waiting on fenny to pm saying i can or can't use the flavor text from before the game started.

Solid Snake · 09-27-2011, 02:07 PM

Partially irrelevant anyway as I have recalled that Fenris was not in fact the confidant who told me not to include all the Elements of Harmony as Town roles back when I was initially planning to host an MLP game.
He and Sir Chris have a fair deal in common, my mistake.

Anyway Safe-Listing is the fairly common practice in which Scum have a list of pro-Townie sounding characters they can claim so they don't have to be honest and claim the anti-Townie sounding character they are.
For example, say you're Discord (unlikely as Fenris didn't even know who Discord was when he began planning for this, I'd imagine, but still.) If you're asked to claim your role before you're voted off you can't say "I'm Discord" without revealing you're scum, because everyone with access to Friendship is Magic Wiki will immediately know you're a bad guy who's threatenin' Ponyville.

But you can't claim another significant benevolent character from MLP: FiM either without risking being counterclaimed by someone playing who actually has that role. Then you're dead.
So sometimes Scum is given a list of inoffensive names they can claim and make up Town roles with.

Mind you, it's very unlikely that Karesh would initiate such a gambit D1 even if Scumteam was told they could claim Fluttershy, but I'm just saying, claiming an Element of Harmony is not akin to a complete and utter shield from all incrimination. Scum might be able to claim the Element characters too.

Sifright · 09-27-2011, 02:09 PM

Yea I mean I wasn't going to reveal a power role so that said person could end up being nuked night 1.

Solid Snake · 09-27-2011, 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Sifright

Yea I mean I wasn't going to reveal a power role so that said person could end up being nuked night 1.

I don't quite comprehend the narrative correlation of Dr. Whooves knowing Fluttershy and only Fluttershy's person / role, though.

09-27-2011, 01:50 PM	#271
Gregness Never give up. Never give in. Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Sacramento, CA Posts: 1,034	Also, Karesh there is one minor detriment to you revealing yourself. Since Fluttershy can't be converted, there was always the possibility of the Cult wasting a conversion attempt on you, but there's little hope of that now. __________________ A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects. - Robert Heinlein

09-27-2011, 02:02 PM	#275
Gregness Never give up. Never give in. Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Sacramento, CA Posts: 1,034	Sorry Snake, but can you say that again, but slower for the n00bs (i.e. me). Basically, what do you mean by Safe Roles? My intuition would be something along the lines of "a role that is possible, but not actually assigned to anyone so that it's possible for someone to claim it without dispute." Do I have that about right? __________________ A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects. - Robert Heinlein

09-27-2011, 02:07 PM	#278
Solid Snake Erotic Esquire Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 5,563	Partially irrelevant anyway as I have recalled that Fenris was not in fact the confidant who told me not to include all the Elements of Harmony as Town roles back when I was initially planning to host an MLP game. He and Sir Chris have a fair deal in common, my mistake. Anyway Safe-Listing is the fairly common practice in which Scum have a list of pro-Townie sounding characters they can claim so they don't have to be honest and claim the anti-Townie sounding character they are. For example, say you're Discord (unlikely as Fenris didn't even know who Discord was when he began planning for this, I'd imagine, but still.) If you're asked to claim your role before you're voted off you can't say "I'm Discord" without revealing you're scum, because everyone with access to Friendship is Magic Wiki will immediately know you're a bad guy who's threatenin' Ponyville. But you can't claim another significant benevolent character from MLP: FiM either without risking being counterclaimed by someone playing who actually has that role. Then you're dead. So sometimes Scum is given a list of inoffensive names they can claim and make up Town roles with. Mind you, it's very unlikely that Karesh would initiate such a gambit D1 even if Scumteam was told they could claim Fluttershy, but I'm just saying, claiming an Element of Harmony is not akin to a complete and utter shield from all incrimination. Scum might be able to claim the Element characters too. __________________ *WARNING:* Snek's all up in this thread. Be prepared to read massive walls of text.

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09-27-2011, 01:53 PM	#273
Geminex SOM3WH3R3 Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 4,606	Yeah, me too. I looked at the process again, and it seems a lot like cold reading. Sif giving information, waiting for Karesh's response and then 'confirming' that response. Very fishy. Plus, ti seems weird that Sif would know the character but not the role. Is that kind of thing normal in mafia?

09-27-2011, 02:05 PM	#277
Sifright Fact sphere is the most handsome Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 1,108	I think I explained my actions pretty throughly about why i went through that process. waiting on fenny to pm saying i can or can't use the flavor text from before the game started.

09-27-2011, 02:09 PM	#279
Sifright Fact sphere is the most handsome Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 1,108	Yea I mean I wasn't going to reveal a power role so that said person could end up being nuked night 1.