Dan Shoe Hsu, Hero of the Planet, or: The 360 Gets What it Deserves

[Fifthfiend]

Originally Posted by Deathosaurus Wrecks

so...we're suprized that Microsoft would create a shoddy and disapointing product, and we're suprized that a major corporation's hype machine would make promises that the product couldn't follow through on.

i'm seeing this as a PEBCAC issue, not a fault of the industry.

You are mistaking anger for surprise.

If someone comes up to you and lies to your face, does it make it okay if you know they are lying? If that person tries to put his hand in your pocket and take the money out of your wallet, does it make it okay if you expected him to do it? Would you stand there and shrug, or would you shout "Hey everybody, this here is a motherfucker who likes lying to people and picking the money out of their pockets!"?

And frankly what does surprise me is this suggestion that an industry has made poor workmanship, massive campaigns of misinformation, and baldfacedly manipulative, bad-faith dealing with its customers into standard practice and yet this is all somehow to be considered something other than "a fault of the industry."

I just cannot quite get my head around that one, maybe it's just me, I do not know.

[Deathosaurus Wrecks]

Originally Posted by fifthfiend

If someone comes up to you and lies to your face, does it make it okay if you know they are lying? If that person tries to put his hand in your pocket and take the money out of your wallet, does it make it okay if you expected him to do it? Would you stand there and shrug, or would you shout "Hey everybody, this here is a motherfucker who likes lying to people and picking the money out of their pockets!"?

this isn't a person though, this is Microsoft's marketing division, its thier job to lie to our faces and try to steal our money. Microsoft making substandard products and overcharging for them is nothing new (Win95/98/ME); and people who work in marketing are just another form of salesmen (the time honored tradition of people who will say anything to get you to buy thier product).

to act incredulous now, after all this time, just strikes me as odd.

[Lockeownzj00]

The incredulity comes from the fact that not everyone is 'smart' enough to see through their game, at least from our angle.

As long as its claws have their grip on peoples' minds, we will fight for truth, justice, love and-o peace.

[BitVyper]

Originally Posted by Lockeownzj00

The incredulity comes from the fact that not everyone is 'smart' enough to see through their game, at least from our angle.

As long as its claws have their grip on peoples' minds, we will fight for truth, justice, love and-o peace.

*Everlasting* peace.

[Mirai Gen]

Originally Posted by BitVyper

*Everlasting* peace.

And no bullshit in our hype machine.

[synkr0nized]

I love how the general charge against Microsoft is taken up, as if this interview was some shining beacon of "ha ha you guys fail it." It was actually a fairly cordial read, and it seems Tycho's short reaction is more level-headed than some of these posts.



And because I'm sure someone will post something like, "ha ha stfu MS n00b," I have no intentions of purchasing this system unless some large price drop or crazy amount of quality games being released occurs. Mr. Hsu delivered some good questions, Mr. Moore responded corporately well (like the VP of marketing will badmouth his system or acquiesce to negative opinions), and Tycho made a great point: "The machine is going through a kind of adolescent period at the moment, a chain of events exacerbated by the rigors of next-gen content creation, and in two or three months none of this will matter." As long as you spend your money where you best feel it should be spend, purchasing the system(s) and game(s) that you want, I fail to see the need for any crusades.

[Mirai Gen]

Originally Posted by synkr0nized

I love how the general charge against Microsoft is taken up, as if this interview was some shining beacon of "ha ha you guys fail it." It was actually a fairly cordial read, and it seems Tycho's short reaction is more level-headed than some of these posts.

And because I'm sure someone will post something like, "ha ha stfu MS n00b," I have no intentions of purchasing this system unless some large price drop or crazy amount of quality games being released occurs. Mr. Hsu delivered some good questions, Mr. Moore responded corporately well (like the VP of marketing will badmouth his system or acquiesce to negative opinions), and Tycho made a great point: "The machine is going through a kind of adolescent period at the moment, a chain of events exacerbated by the rigors of next-gen content creation, and in two or three months none of this will matter." As long as you spend your money where you best feel it should be spend, purchasing the system(s) and game(s) that you want, I fail to see the need for any crusades.

I hope you don't mind...but I'm going to take a bit of offense to that.

I highly doubt we're all taking this as a shining beacon of anything. Hsu got cornered with some rough questions and had very lousy responses. It was funny. We're all gathering together and laughing about it. Some of us hate this machine more than others. For example.

so...we're suprized that Microsoft would create a shoddy and disapointing product, and we're suprized that a major corporation's hype machine would make promises that the product couldn't follow through on.

i'm seeing this as a PEBCAC issue, not a fault of the industry.

And you're saying our reactions aren't 'level headed'. Right.

We're not going through 'crusades,' and we're not trying to get other people to jump on the 'microsoft hater bandwagon'. We just think it's extremely weak for Microsoft to be making these sort of steps - the backwards compatability, the 360's 'giant upgrade in graphics and sound', etc - and stand by their machine as 'the most visually stunning graphics of all time.'

Originally Posted by synkr0nized

As long as you spend your money where you best feel it should be spend, purchasing the system(s) and game(s) that you want, I fail to see the need for any crusades.

I'm sure everyone is perfectly aware that 'if you don't like it, don't look', alright? But pointing it out as though it needs to be said seems a bit superfluous to me. As the customers in question, we are entitled to our complaints amongst ourselves reguardless of if we buy it.

[Lockeownzj00]

I agree. I'm fooling around with the whole dictatorship of the Anti-Microsoft proletariat thing. Hell, I still use Windows.

It's just a jab. I agree it's going through growing pains now, but my prediction is that a few core concepts and games that in the end won't matter will make the system 'appear' to be redeemed, when it's still shite.

[Mirai Gen]

Early post;

On that note, I'm pretty sure that, when the PS2 came out, it was a really overhyped system.

"It plays DVDs! And CDs! And PS1 Games! It can do everything!"

Yeah, and how useful was it when there were like, three or four games for it, and everyone lined up to get one? How useful was it when people suddenly realized that the graphics were easily outdateable?

And yet, no matter how much I try, I keep on looking over at Shadow of the Colossus, God of War, DMC1 and 3, Grand Theft Auto III-Andreas, etc etc etc.

The X360 will get better, but we still groan aloud at Shu.

[synkr0nized]

You'll have to forgive me, then, for generalizing this thread with that description after such phrases/word choices as "hate," "professionally as a liar who works for a company that makes a crappy console could have," "The Sun of TRUTH" (though that was very funny, so I do get that it was for humor), "to see through their game," and the notion of a hype machine. You have my apologies for not playing your game correctly and perhaps placing too much value on the jump-to-conclusions mat.

I should have never ordered one.