The Star Trek Movies

[Krylo]

This one where the blob guy recreated them (along with others like Hitler and Caesar) and put Kirk in the middle as a mock fight of 'Good vs Evil'. That one was more interesting than the Next Generation one.

Wait... they had a TNG one? I thought Devon just made a mistake. I don't remember hitler in it though... but yah, the Good Vrs. Evil fight thing is what I was talking about.

Also... Wrath of Khan is the only one I remember well enough to put a name to, so I'm going to have to say that's my favorite by far. Hmm... guess that counteracts my liking the TNG better for movies, eh?

[Devon Lake]

Ya, I mixed up my abbreviations (Look above) It's TOS that I love and everything else that's crap, but I hope you got that from the gambling brains reference (You should have dag nabbit!) Anyhow, yes, the duel with Abraham Lincoln and Ghengis Khan was, objectively, the greatest thing ever... Now I have to remenis about some of the great qualities of Star Trek more now.

Remember that one where Kirk goes to that alternate universe with bearded Spock and they're all evil? I mean, the TOS crew evil? How cool is that!

Remember that one where they land on that planet and everyone's like "Are you one of the body?" and they're all happy zombies in puritan clothes controlled by a computer named Landrew? It's great seeing how awful the world those sterile "family" lobby groups want to create is.

Space Seed: Khaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaan! Need I say more?

Then that one with the planets fighting the simulated war. It's such a stupid idea it's cool!

The one where they go to that planet where the flowers make them all euphoric hippy zombies because it shows why THAT utopia sucks.

The one where Kirk beeks up Apollo; they episode sucked but the fact that he's a god slayer really helps in the Kirk vs. Picard debate.

Pon Far episode... hahahahaha.

The one where they all get old. That was hysterical.

Tripples.

Gambling Brains.

The weird Nazi one with fascism screwing things up.

That one where the descendants of communists are fighting the descendants of Yanks.

The one where they find an Earth where Rome took over; an idea so insane it's brilliant.

Spocks brain being stolen.

The one where that alien blob light effect tries to make the humans and Klingons kill each other forever so it can feed off their hatred.

The one with the nut house.

That one with those guys who're half black and half white...

[Drooling Iguana]

Don't forget the one where Kirk switches bodies with his crazy ex-girlfriend. That was actually the final episode.

And then there was the Star Trek/Known space (Larry Niven's sci-fi universe) crossover, but that was part of the Animated Series and is no longer considered canon (probably because everyone knew that the Kzinti would kick the TNG Klingons' asses.)

[Devon Lake]

What about the rest of the Animated Series? I found it to be rather entertaining, you can't tell me it's all been banished from the cannon when they let that awful DS9 in?

[Wetflame]

Hmm.. I haven't seen many. I actually liked insurrection.

1. Nemesis
2. Wrath of Khan
3. Insurrection
4. Generations
5. TMP

They're the only ones I've seen sadly. I find the Motion Picture boring. Nothing happened in it. They didn't meet any interesting aliens or new ships or have cool fight scenes.

[Kenryoku_Maxis]

The one where they go to the Alternate Universe is my favorite Episode. The one where Spock's 'Alter Ego' is the only one who will help Kirk...and that Spock was going to assasinate Kirk and take command. I thought it was well written.

The one where they are having the 'simulated war' as you call it...its a bit different. Actually, they were killing people of these two planets in these machines as 'casualties' to make it seem like a 'war' but making it what they called 'efficient'. And I don't think its really stupid....seeing as how I've seen a few TV shows do it after Star Trek.

The Pon Far episode was a good excuse for us to get into Spocks character even more. Hey, he almost goes to Kill Kirk, but Kirk has to find a way out of it. Blame the 60's culture and their standardized sysem of the James Bond like leading man in every show to have to 'get out of' things to why it isn't different.

The Nazi one was VERY well written, Historically and just for a TV script. But you would never be able to think up a story like that. That's what you get when you get these 23 year old sci-fi writers...who later goes on to publish tons of books in the genre.

The Communist and Yanks ones is actually one of those paralell world ones. But it would make more sense if you lived in 1969...

Spocks Brain....they somehow molded that into a entertaining thing, but its initial idea is still dumb I gotta admit.

We still haven't mentioned some though. There's the one where they visit 'Nepoleon' but he turns out to be the child of a race of 'higher beings' who just wants to play with them and almost destroys the Enterprise.

There's the one where they go back to 1969 and meet that alien guy with the cat who has to keep someone from destroying one of the Apollo spaceships or something. Episodes a little foggy...but I remember it was ok.

The Mobster one, where in the first season Kirk and Spock had been sent back in time and left a book about 1920's Chicago and then 200 years later, its their normal time and they visit the planet. The entire planet is set up like the 1920s and they are run between 5 different Mob Bosses. THAT was a good episode. That's what writing should be like. Horribly acted on Kirks part but the writing was 'superb' ::insert Kirk's horrid Mob accent::. Patrick does a much better Chicago guy, although he's a P.I.

I can't remember the rest....too much.

[Kenryoku_Maxis]

Originally Posted by Wetflame

Hmm.. I haven't seen many. I actually liked insurrection.

1. Nemesis
2. Wrath of Khan
3. Insurrection
4. Generations
5. TMP

They're the only ones I've seen sadly. I find the Motion Picture boring. Nothing happened in it. They didn't meet any interesting aliens or new ships or have cool fight scenes.

Uh...they met an entire race of living machines that sent one of Earths probes back to Earth in a space vehicle roughly the size of our moon and that could generate more power than our sun. But yes, you're right that there's no cool fight scenes...which the Next Generation Star Trek movies are known for and the original series cast movies are known for more science and in the ship stuff (I like the in the ship stuff the best). -_-

[Devon Lake]

We still haven't mentioned some though. There's the one where they visit 'Nepoleon' but he turns out to be the child of a race of 'higher beings' who just wants to play with them and almost destroys the Enterprise.

Actually, his name was "Trelane", the squire of Gothos. He just sort of admires what he sees as the "warlike humans" because for whatever reason he could only observe them from the past. That was actually pretty funny. Like in the gun duel and he's all like "Well I get to go first!" and so on.

The Communist and Yanks ones is actually one of those paralell world ones. But it would make more sense if you lived in 1969...

Ya, a good lot of them seem to be analogous with the Cold War. That one was saying how the descendants of Commie China and The United States moved out into the galaxy, founded that planet, and then blew each other up and evolved super longevity due to how much they screwed up the planet.

Sort of like that one where the Klingons give those natives guns, and then so Kirk has to give the other natives gun to sort of keep things equal, sort of like MAD.

There's the one where they go back to 1969 and meet that alien guy with the cat who has to keep someone from destroying one of the Apollo spaceships or something. Episodes a little foggy...but I remember it was ok.

I actually heard Gene had submitted the whole cat and secret agent thing to the NBC executives, and upon getting rejected just changed it into an episode. It was sort of an enteresting thing to see for that reason, it was like a failed pilot.

Ooh, I loved that one where they reshow the original pilot. It was interesting to see what the series was going to be like. Captain Pike was a real bad ass and Spock actually cracked a smile at a flower thingy (I almost shat myself when I saw that. I mean, if he was just possessed by a flower or a Greek guy in a Platonian society was possessing him it's just jolly well fine, but in that seen it was just SOOO out of character.) Then there was how Pike was all mangled and so was that girl... That made it all really dark and creepy and stuff for me.

[Illuminatus]

I can't beleive a Trekkie had the audacity to call me stupid AND hypocritical. Good thing I'm a Star Wars fan or I might get mad.

Now I get serious:

The only ones I've seen are Khan, Nemesis, Insurrection and First Contact (Sorry I never felt compelled to go back and watch ANYTHING with William Shatner in it. Please Kenryoku, defend him. I dare you.) Nemesis was fairly original in terms of plot, lots of philsophical debate; good fight scenes, awesome ship-ramming sequence (But why, at the end, did the CAPTAIN go disable the ship? Everyone looked at him like he HAD to do it. It made zero sense to me) I can't really remember anything about Insurrection, it must have sucked. First Contact had the Borg and time travel, coolness factor way up. And Khan had Spock. And Khan. So:

1. First Contact
2. Nemesis
3. Wrath of Khan
4. Insurrection

[Kenryoku_Maxis]

I'm not going to defend Shatner. I've pointed out both good and bad points of his acting career in this thread if you want to go back and read through and find them though. But I'm sorry you choose to miss out on some good movies (OPINION!) just because you dislike one actor in it (or at least you're using that excuse for it).

And yet I doubt you'd like some of the movies like Search for Spock or the Motion Picture for reasons people have given in this thread already (frankly, I don't want to state them because you might get mad).

And I don't know if I'm a Trekkie...myself hating Two complete series of the show (DS9 and Voyager). I just really got into the series with the movies and watching Next Generations as a kid. Then I watched the original series when I was 15 or so. So...Trekkie...not really. Now, Kid who had alot of time on his hands who watched all the movies alot, that I'm guilty of. But that doesn't quite get me to Trekkie status, by Trekkies anyway. Whatever you want to think you can, since my explination hasn't changed your view in any way.