Supreme Court lifts limits on corporate campaign donations - Page 3

Solid Snake · 01-22-2010, 02:11 AM

Okay, but still, it just boggles my mind. How could Obama have been caught so unprepared? He barely started campaigning for Coakley until, what, the weekend before the election? This despite the fact that Obama is still a fairly popular political figure in Massachusetts, who voted for him overwhelmingly over McCain.

Didn't he realize what the stakes were? Did it not occur to him that the entire narrative of his first year in office would change based on the results of this election? Coakley gets in, and Obama's first year is an overall success! He passes (at least some form, no matter how butchered or decayed) HCR! He can move on with some degree of political capital or at least a success story to offer before tackling his next major issue! Subsequent reforms could continue improving HCR! The public option could eventually be reintroduced! There wouldn't be talk of a huge conservative resurgence in America and the progressive and centrist Democrats wouldn't be breaking off into circular firing squads and blaming each other for this loss!

I mean I'm sorry I know a lot of you guys are very impressed by the man and frankly I like Obama a fair bit myself but this was just a dumb move, Mr. President. You have to anticipate stuff like this in advance and tackle these issues by any means necessary. And even after you lose? You gotta fight like Churchill until the very end. Push the Republicans hard. Try to force the House Dems to give up their petty superficiality, make a sacrifice for once in their pathetic existences, and agree to pass the Senate's version of the damn bill. Do something. Don't just throw in the towel.

If there's one and ONLY one lesson I wish Barack would learn from Dubya it's: You're the President. Act like you are the President. Be a decider. Unlike Dubya, you have the advantage of some intelligent policy positions. Now just borrow enough of Dubya's assertiveness to stuff 'em through, hell or high water.

Mirai Gen · 01-22-2010, 03:09 AM

Bluuuuugghhhh.

So, is green party invite-only? Do I need to get 01d to hook me up or something? Cause that's looking super tempting right now.

EDIT: Obama get your ass in gear or so help me....

Sithdarth · 01-22-2010, 03:29 AM

Not that I think they would but at this point Microsoft and Google could each separately form their own political party and have a decent chance of getting a few electrons and converts. Between the disenfranchisement on both sides and the stupidly large amount of money they can now funnel into campaigns they could pretty much skip right over actual politicians and put CEOs in office.

Marc v4.0 · 01-22-2010, 01:46 PM

I for one welcome our Microsoft Overlords

Loyal · 01-22-2010, 03:05 PM

Would be a pretty entertaining scenario to run for a few years at least. I mean we all know they both wanna take over the world to some degree, might as well get started on politics while the gettin's good, right?

Sithdarth · 01-22-2010, 03:33 PM

I'm reasonably sure the "treat cooperations like an individual thing" stops at allowing them to run for elected office. Otherwise that'd be a neat thing to see instead of CEOs.

Seil · 01-22-2010, 03:43 PM

Hey, guess what America? I'm in Canada. Your laws don't apply to me. ...But I guess your politics kinda do. Damn, I was all excited there for a second.

Wigmund · 01-22-2010, 05:38 PM

I would give my firstborn and a dozen other firstborns if we could have an undead Teddy Roosevelt rise from the grave and unleash some whoop-ass on the Supreme Court.

Osterbaum · 01-22-2010, 05:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Solid Snake

For the last time Supreme Court, Corporations are Not Individuals, We Need to Stop Treating Them as if They Were Individuals...

Hooray for classical liberalism (or neoliberalism) and the 'new right'! Hooray for laissez-faire!

BitVyper · 01-22-2010, 06:39 PM

Quote:

and have a decent chance of getting a few electrons

I didn't realise electrons were so difficult to come by.

In less off topic news; just how badly is someone going to have to fuck up before the general population stops taking all this shit anyway?

01-22-2010, 02:11 AM	#21
Solid Snake Erotic Esquire Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 5,563	Okay, but still, it just boggles my mind. How could Obama have been caught so unprepared? He barely started campaigning for Coakley until, what, the weekend before the election? This despite the fact that Obama is still a fairly popular political figure in Massachusetts, who voted for him overwhelmingly over McCain. Didn't he realize what the stakes were? Did it not occur to him that the entire narrative of his first year in office would change based on the results of this election? Coakley gets in, and Obama's first year is an overall success! He passes (at least some form, no matter how butchered or decayed) HCR! He can move on with some degree of political capital or at least a success story to offer before tackling his next major issue! Subsequent reforms could continue improving HCR! The public option could eventually be reintroduced! There wouldn't be talk of a huge conservative resurgence in America and the progressive and centrist Democrats wouldn't be breaking off into circular firing squads and blaming each other for this loss! I mean I'm sorry I know a lot of you guys are very impressed by the man and frankly I like Obama a fair bit myself but this was just a dumb move, Mr. President. You have to anticipate stuff like this in advance and tackle these issues by any means necessary. And even after you lose? You gotta fight like Churchill until the very end. Push the Republicans hard. Try to force the House Dems to give up their petty superficiality, make a sacrifice for once in their pathetic existences, and agree to pass the Senate's version of the damn bill. Do something. Don't just throw in the towel. If there's one and ONLY one lesson I wish Barack would learn from Dubya it's: You're the President. Act like you are the President. Be a decider. Unlike Dubya, you have the advantage of some intelligent policy positions. Now just borrow enough of Dubya's assertiveness to stuff 'em through, hell or high water. __________________ *WARNING:* Snek's all up in this thread. Be prepared to read massive walls of text. Last edited by Solid Snake; 01-22-2010 at 02:14 AM.

01-22-2010, 03:09 AM	#22
Mirai Gen We are Geth. Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 14,032	Bluuuuugghhhh. So, is green party invite-only? Do I need to get 01d to hook me up or something? Cause that's looking super tempting right now. EDIT: Obama get your ass in gear or so help me.... __________________ Last edited by Mirai Gen; 01-22-2010 at 03:42 AM.

01-22-2010, 01:46 PM	#24
Marc v4.0 Fight Me, Nerds Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 3,470	I for one welcome our Microsoft Overlords __________________

01-22-2010, 05:38 PM	#28
Wigmund Lakitu Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Northwest Arkansas Posts: 2,139	I would give my firstborn and a dozen other firstborns if we could have an undead Teddy Roosevelt rise from the grave and unleash some whoop-ass on the Supreme Court. __________________ Slightly off-kilter

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01-22-2010, 03:29 AM	#23
Sithdarth Friendly Neighborhood Quantum Hobo Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Outside the M-brane look'n in Posts: 5,403	Not that I think they would but at this point Microsoft and Google could each separately form their own political party and have a decent chance of getting a few electrons and converts. Between the disenfranchisement on both sides and the stupidly large amount of money they can now funnel into campaigns they could pretty much skip right over actual politicians and put CEOs in office.

01-22-2010, 03:33 PM	#26
Sithdarth Friendly Neighborhood Quantum Hobo Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Outside the M-brane look'n in Posts: 5,403	I'm reasonably sure the "treat cooperations like an individual thing" stops at allowing them to run for elected office. Otherwise that'd be a neat thing to see instead of CEOs.

01-22-2010, 03:43 PM	#27
Seil Super stressed! Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: British Columbia Posts: 8,081	Hey, guess what America? I'm in Canada. Your laws don't apply to me. ...But I guess your politics kinda do. Damn, I was all excited there for a second.