"Phase Four: Successful" aka the "Thor" thread

[synkr0nized]

Originally Posted by NonCon

it's fine if you didn't like it.

What, people need permission not to like things?

If folks feel that any of us with negative opinions about the movie are stepping over some kind of line in the thread, please note it. But the implication that the above post contains and the idea that a discussion of a movie holds any bearing on attitudes about posters themselves are equally silly things.

[Kim]

Originally Posted by synkr0nized

What, people need permission not to like things?

I mean, I meant it as being directed at some of the people I thought were being a little annoying in their condescension towards people who didn't like it, but if you want to get bent out of shape over this then knock yourself out.

[Magus]

Well my main point was really just "not high art, action movie, not as bad as Transformers" but since you thought it was worse than Transformers then, man, I just don't know. I was all like "man, I should watch my words better, I totally offended Synk" but then I read that you though it was worse than Transformers and I was just like "Man, that's just crazy. This shit is not worse than Transformers." I totally disagree with you, good sir, on the very basis and nature of that assertion. That is a special kind of curse I expect to see reserved to see leveled at the likes of Catwoman or Elektra, not your average comic book film.

Anyway, did anyone else just see this because it is part of the whole overall Marvel-movie-verse arc leading up to the Avengers? 'Cause I seriously just went to it because of that. That I actually enjoyed it quite a bit was pretty surprising, so maybe I think it's better than it actually is, probably. I liked that it had Hawkeye and references to Bruce Banner and Tony Stark in it, I got more out of that than actual Thor who I don't really care about. He seems overpowered, for one thing, like a Marvel Superman. Does he have some special weakness in the comics other than losing the hammer or does he just lose the hammer a lot?

[Marc v4.0]

Originally Posted by Magus

Well my main point was really just "not high art, action movie, not as bad as Transformers" but since you thought it was worse than Transformers then, man, I just don't know. I was all like "man, I should watch my words better, I totally offended Synk" but then I read that you though it was worse than Transformers and I was just like "Man, that's just crazy. This shit is not worse than Transformers." I totally disagree with you, good sir, on the very basis and nature of that assertion. That is a special kind of curse I expect to see reserved to see leveled at the likes of Catwoman or Elektra, not your average comic book film.

Anyway, did anyone else just see this because it is part of the whole overall Marvel-movie-verse arc leading up to the Avengers? 'Cause I seriously just went to it because of that. That I actually enjoyed it quite a bit was pretty surprising, so maybe I think it's better than it actually is, probably. I liked that it had Hawkeye and references to Bruce Banner and Tony Stark in it, I got more out of that than actual Thor who I don't really care about. He seems overpowered, for one thing, like a Marvel Superman. Does he have some special weakness in the comics other than losing the hammer or does he just lose the hammer a lot?

He is mortal when on Earth, as I recall.

[The Sevenshot Kid]

I feel like this and everything else Marvel's doing is doing a pretty good job at leading up to the Avengers and I for one can't wait. They took a giant gamble on this project and I really hope it succeeds.

[TDK]

Originally Posted by Marc v1.0

He is mortal when on Earth, as I recall.

The norse gods were all mortal, in mythology. I find the mythology to be far more interesting for it.

[Amake]

Let me quote a bit from Red Orm here:

"He's not a Jute", said Berse, "but he says he's a Jew. This is a people from the east who killed the man the Christians hold for god. He was slain a long time ago, but the Christians still hate the Jews for it and will gladly kill them, and will not take any settlement or weregeld."

Berse added that he had heard some similar stories before, and several of the men said they had heard rumors along those lines. Orm said he had heard the dead man had been nailed to wood, like the sons of Lodbrok did with the high priest of England in the old days. But no one could understand how he could be held for a god after the Jews killed him, for a proper god could not be killed by humans.

Aside from some hilarious insights in Viking psychology, we see the gods usually aren't entirely mortal, especially not when visiting Midgard.

But the thing with Thor in the comics, at least in the earlier versions, his alter ego Donald Blake is disabled and even weaker than most mortals. These days dramatic tension usually comes from having Thor being either away on business in Asgard or politically opposed to SHIELD's business. He's really the closest Marvel has to Superman.

[synkr0nized]

Magus, I wasn't claiming this movie was worse than the Transformers movie. Rather, I was noting that I felt the "guy gets girl" part of the latter worked better/seemed less arbitrary and illogical.

[Magus]

Ah, point noted.

You forgot those twin robots, what the hell was up with those?

BTW I seriously thought that the comic books Thor was always a regular dude but he finds the hammer and becomes Thor, here it is actually in reverse? Or was I just wrong on this account?

[The Sevenshot Kid]

Originally Posted by Magus

Ah, point noted.

You forgot those twin robots, what the hell was up with those?

BTW I seriously thought that the comic books Thor was always a regular dude but he finds the hammer and becomes Thor, here it is actually in reverse? Or was I just wrong on this account?

That's how it started out at first but then the writer's realized that was stupid and retconned it into being a punishment from Odin.