Materodon versus Lord Matersaurus: The Mater Also Rises

[Amake]

I can consistently take whatever Smarty says about a movie, go in the exact opposite direction and find that, yessire, I completely agree with that. I thought the Up intro was fantastic and probably the most intense, genuinely affecting bit of any Pixar movie yet.

Anyway now I think I have to watch Cars 2.

PS. Betty are you hinting that you had a forbidden love affair with a car? If so I suggest writing a book about it, changing the names. That sort of story always seems to find an audience.

[phil_]

Originally Posted by Amake

I can consistently take whatever Smarty says about a movie, go in the exact opposite direction and find that, yessire, I completely agree with that.

That's a dangerous position to take.

Originally Posted by Amake

Anyway now I think I have to watch Cars 2.

See?! See where it leads you?!

Also, fuck you Cars 2, a joke and irony are separate, if related, concepts. They are not dialectically interchangeable. Quit giving children the impression that they are.

The song about Mater and McQueen being in love is pretty good, though, if only to wonder how they got it past LtCG.

[Fifthfiend]

Originally Posted by Smarty McBarrelpants

Did I get real boozed last night and log in as Betty Elms?

I think we can safely say this isn't the case having confirmed that if this were what happened this movie would have been about Up.

Or probably fucking... Wall-E. Or Toy Story 3.

[Fifthfiend]

Originally Posted by Fifthfiend

Or Toy Story 3.

SMARTYPANTS IS SECRET FORUM CELEBRITY ARMAND WHITE

sleuthed

[Professor Smarmiarty]

Originally Posted by Betty Elms

I thought it functioned more as economical storytelling. The character building occurs over the course of the remainder of the film, whereas the role of the montage was only to provide a sense of the stakes and motivations of the film. The fact that it might be emotionally effective (or manipulative) in its own right is extraneous to its primary role, which is to contextualize the events of the bulk of the film. That doesn't demand the audience being in the same frame of mind as the characters. Even if the montage fails to bring the viewer to tears or any such, as long as they grow invested in the protagonist over the course of the movie it will succeed in enhancing the viewer's understanding and investment of the protagonist's actions and how events relate to the protagonist.

If there were an extra half hour of him with his wife and her dying, all that would do is make the movie longer. It wouldn't impact the main story or its emotional significance.

But you see that doesn't work when the person is no longer watching the movie.
If the character development etc coomes from the rest of the movie we don't need the montage. Just start from after the montage. It'll be much more effective to hint at a past while letting the viewier fill in his own past than shotgunning us down a pixar approved happy but tragic past of their own devising.
And the montage just completely turned me off and stopped me watching the rest of the movie. Because it presented the film as the type of film I don't want to watch- overly maudlin without realy examining where these feelings arise from and playing upon audiences sentimentality buttons for a cheap tear. Maybe the rest of the film is not like this but if that is how you open your film you can't expect me to keep watching. The opening of Up is every sitcom very special episode and the ending of "Old yeller" rolled up into one. And that is not a movie I need to watch because there is a million movies already ike that, it doesn't often anything interesting or new.
Start your movie how you intend to continue.
Though to be completely fair great films should be polarising if they work for every viewer they playing it too safe, the best rating is 5/10 not 10/10 so I will admit that maybe Up is a really good movie in this regard. Not for me.

Also I'm watching Andrei Rublev again while drinking vodka and swearing in Russian, I forgot how fucking fantastic this movie is.

Originally Posted by Fifthfiend

SMARTYPANTS IS SECRET FORUM CELEBRITY ARMAND WHITE

sleuthed

Nah I'm pretty consistent in what I like and what I hate whereas Amand White is just an RNG.