The Displaced Time-Clone of Iceman is Gay?

[MSperoni]

Originally Posted by Doc ock rokc

Why the hell should I move? I read the comics, I enjoy the stories, I have been here longer. Why the hell do I need to give it up?

Money talks, Doc!

No one at Marvel or DC cares if you've "been here longer". These are entertainment products. They're companies and all they're interested in is that sweet green. If the comic you like gets dumb go buy a comic that is less dumb...or just put up with it till it gets less dumb again.

Or buy a comic that is MORE dumb.

But I'm not sure what comic exists that is more insane than X-men.

I mean, for me X-men is about as crazy as it gets. Random out-of-left-field stuff like this is one reason why I keep buying them (also all the X-ladies!). I cut my adamantium teeth in the Claremont-era. There's nothing X-men can do that I'm not prepared for*...

For instance, Young Drake here is a character with genetic ice powers and a time-displaced version of another character. He was brought here by a blue furry in order to teach a guy who shoots lasers out of his eyes a lesson about leadership.

Him being gay is like...That's it?

(yeah it probably could've been handled a bit smoother, but this is Bendis we're talking about here.)


Also I totally did the "Telepath Outs Gay Character" in The Dreadful before Marvel did.

Fuckers stealin' my ideas...


*WHY IS JUBILEE A FUCKING VAMPIRE

[Doc ock rokc]

Originally Posted by MSperoni

For instance, Young Drake here is a character with genetic ice powers and a time-displaced version of another character. He was brought here by a blue furry in order to teach a guy who shoots lasers out of his eyes a lesson about leadership or something.

Him being gay is like...That's it?

(yeah it probably could've been handled a bit smoother, but this is Bendis we're talking about here.)


Also I totally did the "Telepath Outs Gay Character" in The Dreadful before Marvel did.

Fuckers stealin' my ideas...

Your guy always felt like he was coming off to hard and thus it wasn't a surprise...

Their's broke the Willing Suspension of disbelief

Look at the quintessential example of that People hate this scene not because of a Pointy ear'd elf prince with improbable aiming skills killing 42 orcs and losing to a short tempered dwarf wielding an axe that is only JUST lighter then him because it lacks armor. They hate it because knowlidge of the nervous system is inconsistent with the level of technology and knowledge they have shown before. They still treat wounds with Herbs chewed up in the mouth for christ sake.

People will believe the impossible...not the improbable (Unless you pull a Douglas Adams and make the improbable probable). Thus the reason I am angry and I am asking for more buildup on it.

Because I loath this pandery out of the blue bullshit to score brownie points

[MSperoni]

Originally Posted by Doc ock rokc

Your guy always felt like he was coming off to hard and thus it wasn't a surprise...

"Matt's a better writer than the guy who writes X-men."

That's how I'm going to take this. You can't stop me.


Also my "boo fuckin' hoo" comment was aimed generally, by the way.

I'm not the biggest Bendis fan, for what it's worth...He's good at writing natural feeling dialog, but I don't much care for his "talky talk" issues. Mostly because they're full of pages of copy/pasted talking heads. The beat of the panels doesn't mesh with me...

Maybe I'm just not reading them properly.

[Bum Bill Bee]

Okay, I should like to say that I am not surprised.

There are lots and lots of gay supers I can think of

I guess what surprises me the most about this is their....turning...an A-lister like Iceman.

But what surprises me a lot more is them doing an entire team of females. I wonder how long it will be before we see a team of all LGBTQAs?

[MSperoni]

All Female Avengers is probably the only way I'd ever remotely give a crap about Avengers so I'm all for that.

Like I hadn't even looked at a Thor comic in 20 years until they introduced Lady Thor. She's a lot better...and selling better too from what I gather.

And Iceman isn't an A-lister! Cyclops and Jean are, but Bobby's B-tier at best, IMO.

Wolverine is S-tier, obviously.

[Karrrrrrrrrrrresche]

I'm just really curious if the writer came out and said "You know what these people who are mad are right, we're going to undo this" and the comic kept on going like it had never happened....

Would that be pandering?
I mean, I hear the term pandering thrown around a lot, and it always seems to be, rather explicitly: "The author did something I don't like for people I don't agree with."

[Doc ock rokc]

Originally Posted by MSperoni

"Matt's a better writer than the guy who writes X-men."

That's how I'm going to take this. You can't stop me.

That is exactly what I said. (also you have the Comedy advantage where the improbable can come about for a quick joke and linger as a running gag. The rule of funny allows you to go into straight up absurdity or even abstraction. Which is why there is such a thing as A Duck Amuck.

Originally Posted by MSperoni

Also my "boo fuckin' hoo" comment was aimed generally, by the way.

I know

Originally Posted by MSperoni

I'm not the biggest Bendis fan, for what it's worth...He's good at writing natural feeling dialog, but I don't much care for his "talky talk" issues. Mostly because they're full of pages of copy/pasted talking heads. The beat of the panels doesn't mesh with me...

Maybe I'm just not reading them properly.

Pfft. Dialog is always First draft. Its extremely easy as long as you got a good talking point. It's just that he doesn't really have a good sense of what is a good talking point or how to use it to its full advantage.

[Bum Bill Bee]

Originally Posted by MSperoni

And Iceman isn't an A-lister! Cyclops and Jean are, but Bobby's B-tier at best, IMO.

Wolverine is S-tier, obviously.

Well Iceman is A-list compared to the likes of say Karolina Dean, Sarah Rainmaker, Striker, Midnight and Apollo, etc.

[Bard The 5th LW]

I think most comics are kinda dumb -I've always preferred to follow their movie/cartoon adaptions- and I've never been that interested in X-Men, but I think it's pretty indicative of Marvel and DC's mindsets that whenever they decide to make a character come out as gay it's always a character no one really gives a shit about.

"Green Lantern is gay! But like, not Hal Jordan or John Stewart. Its Alan Scott, one of the versions of the Green Lantern no one has ever heard of."

"Ice Man is gay! But not the normal Iceman its a version of him from an alternate timeline whose just sorta lost or something so like, if it becomes convenient, we can probably just send him back or whatever."

I guess in some ways I think its kinda cowardly of them to not even CONSIDER just writing new characters completely? Like, honestly, most superhero comic books are just a tangled web of incomprehensible nonsense to people who haven't been reading them for like 20 years anyways. Is it really out of left field to promote a new character completely who is gay/bi/whatever?

[Bum Bill Bee]

They DO create new characters who are on the LGBTQA spectrum, its just that those new characters fight a very uphill battle for recognition against the time tested cash cow A-listers, most of whom were created in the 40s or 60s.

Personally, I just wish those guys would get retired so they can make room for the new faces, AND they won't keep having to change them to make them relevant. I'd really see that as a win-win situation.