Mafia: Basic

[P-Sleazy]

As for me not posting in 27-28 hours, I went over to a friends house last night and had orientation at college today.

Also, I'm going to bring it up again, we can't exactly use people who didn't vote catlover as evidence against a mafiate when there were people who we're voting for catlover "having second thoughts" and then there's the whole "mafiates voting for fellow mafiates" business we might have going on.

[Mondt]

Originally Posted by B_real_shadows

Also, I'm going to bring it up again, we can't exactly use people who didn't vote catlover as evidence against a mafiate when there were people who we're voting for catlover "having second thoughts" and then there's the whole "mafiates voting for fellow mafiates" business we might have going on.

Don't forget having independant opinions.

[Silly Kitty]

I looked over Darth's posts (I didn't feel like giving links and other things because I'm lazy) and found that he defended Mes a lot or agreed with Mes a lot. It makes sense that he tried to hit her because it wouldn't have been likely anyone would have thought of the SK being him.

He gave lots of logic. He never FOSed or voted for anyone (At least, when I looked I didn't see any votes). He did say he would be keeping an eye on Mes, Catlover, and B_Real.

From what I can tell he was either a random kill or the mafia thought he was potentially dangerous.

[Mesden]

Originally Posted by CallmePrismatic

Ya know, I think TWG is right. I should have done all of those things, because I should have considered them, because I should have used his foresight and not gone with my own personal feelings of comedy based on past experiences. Once I soup up the Delorean and deliver the fake bomb to the Libyans, I can tell Marty to take care of my things while I find a nice stretch of road and go back to the beginning of the game to do the right thing.

That's it, I'm done. I finally see that both sides are shouting the same arguments, but only the ones I spout seem stupid because I can't add anything, while TWG and Mes have an infinite mine of "Whydidntya"-s. I can't compete with that, so I quit arguing on that front.


Nope, I didn't vote for cat. I wouldn't have voted for jeremiahcron either. Humor may not completely transmutate across Internet forums, but knee-jerk stupidity is a universal commodity thats eternally traded. I've been in a lot of games, as has been said over and over, and people who vote randomly aren't that rare. It's the button mashing-equivalent for forum mafia, something that a newcomer can do easily even though he/she may not realize how much it annoys the more experienced. In my experience, 4 out of 5 times a person who vote-mashes is just a newbie townie who wants to contribute but doesn't realize how bad it makes him look. This happened to be the 1 in 5. Hey, another good chance to use the Delorean!

CmP, getting a bit worked up here.

Again, I've not said "Why didn't ya" aside from the carrying of the joke. Don't get mad because we're using a view point. It's how this game goes.

You're being too hostile, CmP. I know my last posts makes that a bit hypocritical, but you take everything I say and blow it to proportion. I was talking about ONE whole post and you get uppity on that. You messed up my quote and I'll admit my reaction was overzealous.

Let's calm this down and take it back a step. I believe TWG just because of the sequence of events he SHOWED me throughout the thread which happens to be true. Either you've gotten unlucky in this sequence or you ARE mafia. It's just how it unfolds to ME.

I'm not crucifying you over the Catlover thing and anyone else using it should take a good healthy look at the first mafia game.

Edit to put quote in.

[secretskull]

I didn't post because I didn't have anything to say. Now I do. This thing has been totally overblown, and it seems both sides are getting angry. Let's all just take this slightly less personally. It’s just a game.
I'd also like to add one thing, while this discussion is going on it would be better if everyone (including myself) joined in on it, even if they don't have very much to add. A mafiate could easily hide, if only three people post.

[Ogianres]

CmP, you are just being aggresive and sarcastic now, which doesn't help in the slightest. And don't tell me that you are acting this way because of vote pressure. If I get an influx of votes right now it wouldn't bother me. Why? Because as a townie, my death can actually help gain insight. I believe that the same would apply to any townie that may be lynched. IMO the only people who believes that being lynched is nothing but bad (for them) are anti-town. If you are townie and die, I, and many others I would hope, would seriously evaluate all the posts of this day.

[Silly Kitty]

Ogianres, aren't you forgetting about someone? The PO and reporter aren't anti-townie. Wouldn't it be bad if they died? Wouldn't they be upset if they were going to be lynched?

[Ogianres]

You do have a very good point SK. However, I don't have any reason to believe that CmP is cop, and reporter is a very big if on the town/anit-town thing. If CmP has substantial evidence to suggest that he is reporter/cop/doc/whatever then I would not vote for him.

[P-Sleazy]

to TWG and well, after looking over what I have to say, all townies.

I just noticed that if all you do is ride on Mesden's known reputation to be a townie, and vote however she votes. That means that this game is basically ALL up to her in terms of finding mafiates. If the whole town is just waiting for her to vote before voting, then I suggest you do otherwise unless you want a GIANT FOS on each and every one of your heads. Thats makes it MUCHtoo easy for the mafia to hide amongst townies.

And Mesden, please take care to notice who you vote for, and the people who vote for them along with you. I fear the mafia MAY try to hide themselves among the slew of townies who go "well if Mesden says it, it MUST be right since she's a known townie," although more cleverly hidden.:shifty:

[CallmePrismatic]

Originally Posted by Ogianres

CmP, you are just being aggresive and sarcastic now, which doesn't help in the slightest. And don't tell me that you are acting this way because of vote pressure. If I get an influx of votes right now it wouldn't bother me. Why? Because as a townie, my death can actually help gain insight. I believe that the same would apply to any townie that may be lynched. IMO the only people who believes that being lynched is nothing but bad (for them) are anti-town. If you are townie and die, I, and many others I would hope, would seriously evaluate all the posts of this day.

I'm not saying you're stupid, but that is a very stupid outlook on the game.

Let me just save some time and deja vu my original response to something similar to this...

The "Well at least we have the people that matter"-mentality is always a dangerous mindset to assume, because soon (and in these games 'never' usually doesn't come up) the people that didn't 'really' matter are all gone and the mafia has a majority hold of the population. Basically, every Town-aligned person matters.

This is purely a numbers game with a wide enough lens. As long as we have more than 4 townies, the mafia can't win. That doesn't mean that we can afford to 'accidentally' lynch a few townies as long as we stay above 4, because the mafia deliberately thins the herd and our overeagerness would only serve to help our enemy.

As to your views of self preservation, your philosophy is flawed in a Salem Witch Trial sense; From what I'm seeing, you're saying "Ya know, if you weren't a witch you wouldn't mind being drowned or burned at the stake because you'd be going to Heaven." I can gauruntee that I'm not alone in saying that me and every other town-aligned role wants to survive till the final mafiate is lynched.

But, let's say that the votes materialize out of nowhere and I get lynched and after I'm revealed to be a townie people try to sift through the wreckage and point to the prime suspects...who would they find? Mes and TWG...except Mes is a confirmed townie and TWG and everybody else who votes could just claim that they were following Mes's initative because, hey, she was confirmed and she had such great evidence and how were we to know...

See, that's why I'm fighting this lynching.